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This is a post in a continuing series that demonstrates all the different personality types and lifestyles Alpha Male 2.0s have. “Alpha Male 2.0” does not describe one isolated type of man, including and especially me. Rather, it’s an umbrella that encapsulates many types of people.

In the last post in this series, I covered the various types of relationships Alpha Male 2.0s generally inhabit. In this article, I will describe the various personality types Alpha 2.0s have based on the men I’ve met, known, and/or have corresponded with over the last several years (of which there have been many). I did not include any types in this list unless I’ve personally known many men who applied to that particular category. In other words, if I met just one Alpha 2.0 engaging in a particular lifestyle, I didn’t include him below.

As you’ll see, Alpha 2.0 includes a broad range of very different types of men. Here’s a few…

Married Alpha 2.0

This is a married guy, usually with kids, who lives an Alpha 2.0 lifestyle via an OLTR marriage or similar. He occasionally gets laid with women on the side, but not regularly and not nearly as often as an unmarried Alpha 2.0. Some men have wives who also play around on the side, others don’t (particularly those married to older women, or who have lots of children).

Some of these guys have standard OLTRs, others have swinger marriages, and still others have nonmonogamous arrangements that are more complicated. They understand that long-term sexual monogamy doesn’t work, even while being married and having kids. Sadly, they tend to be very quiet about the open aspect of their marriages, so as to not receive backlash from their community or embarrass their wives, and discretion is paramount with these men (though there are exceptions).

Married Alpha 2.0s tend to be more relaxed, lower-key, medium sex drive guys, usually introverts, often coming from more traditional families.

Thrill of the Hunt Alpha 2.0

These are high-energy, extroverted Alpha 2.0s who love sexual variety and get laid a lot. They’re usually younger guys, but many older men fall into this category as well. They tend to focus on night game or daygame and tend to do well with either. They avoid monogamy like the plague and are not very relationship-focused. When getting into one, they usually don’t have anything higher than a midrange MLTR. Even while in relationships, they are still pretty active with pickup and sarging.

Like other Alpha 2.0s, TH Alpha 2.0s are entrepreneurs, though often a little scatterbrained in their business lives. They love to start new businesses and constantly have new business ideas. It’s hard for them to stay focused with one business idea for longer than 6-12 months, but they’re still decent at making money. They tend to be very good salespeople. They also tend to be frugal and live minimalist lifestyles, which helps them reduce financial stress and increase freedom.

Older Man Alpha 2.0

These Alpha 2.0s are usually well over age 40 and have high incomes, sometimes very high. They’re usually divorced though a small percentage of them are still married, often to completely non-sexual wives. They’ve taken decent care of their physical health and tend to look good for their age.

They are not frugal at all; they live large. They have no problem whatsoever throwing a lot of money around with the FBs and MLTRs they date. They usually love sugar daddy dating sites and think they’re the greatest thing in the world. They are constantly pushing themselves to fuck hotter and hotter women, and are extremely picky about women’s physical appearance, even getting a little upset if they don’t find exactly what they want. They tend to be extroverts.

They are usually business owners who make high incomes and who set their own schedules, despite also being hard workers. Their business lives and their sex lives are both very exciting to them and are a topic of frequent conversation.

Life of the Party Alpha 2.0

These Alpha 2.0s are extroverts with lots of friends and big social circles. They get laid using social circle game, but also do a lot of online dating. They are constantly around other people and run small businesses that are very people-focused. They also tend to be artistic, usually into things like art, music, acting, photography, and the like. Many also tend to be exercise freaks and enjoy things like MMA or extreme sports. They love to travel a lot and engage in lots of group activities.

They tend to have a little more drama than typical Alpha 2.0s, since they’re more emotional guys. They have a lot of sex with multiple women in the same social circles and often have problems because of this. They are constantly trying to figure out how to have FBs and MLTRs within the same social circles or close geographic regions.

Worker Alpha 2.0

These guys are focused, introverted workaholics. Their primary focus in life is their business, career, and Mission, which is usually money or business-centric. They get laid regularly (nonmonogamous of course), but just enough to satisfy their sex drives and no more, so they can get back to work. They tend to be driven, organized, and have very high sex drives. Sometimes they come off as a little cold to others.

They tend to be more into relationships rather than pickup (since they view relationships as less work and less time consuming) and tend more to Pleasure of Sex rather than Thrill of the Hunt. It’s rare that a Worker Alpha 2.0 doesn’t have a high-end MLTR or OLTR in his life. Some of them are married.

Movement Alpha 2.0

These guys are hardcore zealots, rabidly anti-monogamy, sometimes even anti-relationship. They’re often involved in movements like men’s rights, red pill, MGTOW, and similar. They tend to be very loud and passionate and sometimes come across like Alpha Male 1.0s. Yet, they’re still 2.0 to the core; non-monogamous, getting laid, usually self-employed, and strongly supportive of all the baseline Alpha 2.0 concepts.

They believe strongly in saving men or saving the world, and tend towards either right-wing or libertarian politics, which they loudly support and advocate. Their activism is as important to them as their Alpha 2.0 lifestyle, if not more so.

Hybrid

Hybrids actually aren’t Alpha Male 2.0s. Instead, they are Alpha Male 1.0s or more confident betas who adopt some, but not all, of the Alpha Male 2.0 models. Sometimes they adopt Alpha 2.0 models but break a lot of the Alpha Male 2.0 rules, usually on purpose.

As a result, Hybrids have more drama and less freedom than true Alpha 2.0s, but they consider these as worthy prices to pay for a more normal or less structured lifestyle.

Examples of Hybrids would be the Alpha 1.0 who has the location independent business but cheats on his “monogamous” girlfriend regularly, or the beta male who is nonmonogamous but constantly gets oneitis for MLTRs because he keeps breaking all the relationship rules. Hybrids like Alpha 2.0 concepts, but know in their hearts they’ll never follow the system completely.

Summary

If you’re a regular reader here, you’re probably supportive of at least some of the Alpha 2.0 concepts I discuss here and in my book. This means you’ve probably connected with at least one of the above Alpha 2.0 subtypes described above. (If you haven’t figured out already, I’m a Worker Alpha 2.0.)

Hopefully now you won’t think that “I have to be like Blackdragon” in order to be an Alpha 2.0. You certainly don’t, nor should be. Most of the Alpha 2.0s I meet at my seminars or communicate with in real life aren’t like me in terms of temperament.

In other words, Alpha Male 2.0 is more of a lifestyle than a type of man (though it’s certainly a type of man too).

42 Comments on “The Different Types of Alpha Male 2.0s

  1. Looks like I’m a worker then. 🙂 Makes us sound like the make up of a beehive.

    Thanks for this insight.

  2. BD — I enjoyed reading this post because you came around to describing my way of living, which for a while I felt perhaps didn’t quite hit your definition of Alpha 2.0. Namely, the interest in “saving” Western civ/masculinity/k-selected society…

    Often, when you spoke of “saving” anything other than your personal space it was pilloried as a fools’ errand.

    In my experience, women (especially younger, under 33ish) women LOVE real talk. They’ve been waiting for it.

    I will admit that this type of lifestyle requires a larger tolerance to “drama” as the liberal left likes to attack RealTalkers™…but when you up-armor with a ZFG attitude regarding what others think, and respond with truth, the other side either caves or moves on to a softer target (one who apologizes)

    And one can work to spread that message without coming across as always angry about the world, which is an indictment you have handed down to the MGTOW/Alt-right crowd before. Perhaps not as common, there are plenty of “Happy Warriors” going about their biz, making their corners of the world a little brighter, their girls a little wetter, and their enemies a little more envious.

  3.  

    “In other words, Alpha Male 2.0 is more of a lifestyle than a type of man (though it’s certainly a type of man too).”

    Aside from usually great material, the basis of your Alpha 1.0, 2.0 theories IMHO lack merit. What you are describing are simply personality types and dispositions.  Slapping a customized Alpha ver x.x definition  in front of them misses the mark IMHO as it is completely irrelevant and unrelated.  It’s not merely a matter of semantics – understanding how the world works is key to formulating a strategy to succeed within in.

    Without giving too much away, it might make for great debate fodder. Email me if you want to engage in the great Alpha debate.

  4. Often, when you spoke of “saving” anything other than your personal space it was pilloried as a fools’ errand.

    It is a fool’s errand. The Western world is beyond repair, and no movement or elections will fix it. But if that fool’s errand truly makes you happy and brings purpose to your life, then it’s Alpha 2.0 compatible.

    The problem is most men who are trying to save the world are not happy (as demonstrated by my more angry or depressed manosphere blogger brothers), thus not 2.0s. Movement Alpha 2.0s are the exceptions. They’re aren’t very many of them; they’re probably the smallest of these categories.

    In my experience, women (especially younger, under 33ish) women LOVE real talk. They’ve been waiting for it.

    I don’t know what you mean by real talk. If you mean political Save The World™ talk, then I disagree. Most women, particularly hot younger ones, don’t give a shit and this kind of talk bores them. But perhaps you mean something else.

    I will admit that this type of lifestyle requires a larger tolerance to “drama” as the liberal left likes to attack RealTalkers™

    Correct.

    And one can work to spread that message without coming across as always angry about the world, which is an indictment you have handed down to the MGTOW/Alt-right crowd before. Perhaps not as common, there are plenty of “Happy Warriors” going about their biz, making their corners of the world a little brighter, their girls a little wetter, and their enemies a little more envious.

    Correct. But again I will repeat, the happy warrior is a very rare bird. Most political, fight-the-leftists warriors are regularly unhappy and not 2.0 at all.

    Aside from usually great material, the basis of your Alpha 1.0, 2.0 theories IMHO lack merit. What you are describing are simply personality types and dispositions.  Slapping a customized Alpha ver x.x definition  in front of them misses the mark IMHO as it is completely irrelevant and unrelated.

    No, because Alpha Male 2.0 is indeed a lifestyle. Nonmonogamy, self-employment, location independence, low overhead (both with business expenses and relationship burden/drama), reduced government influence over your life (legal marriage, etc), and so on.

    If you’re a complete and total Alpha, confident, etc, but you’re monogamous to a wife you’ve legally married you and you have an 8-5 corporate job you’re stuck with, then you’re Alpha, but you’re not Alpha Male 2.0 at all, regardless of your personality type or disposition.

  5. No, because Alpha Male 2.0 is indeed a lifestyle. 

    Exactly. What you are describing is a lifestyle. Co-opting the term “Alpha” is a misnomer. Alpha, Beta, etc are terms describing the rank of individuals within a group.  The “Rank” of an individual is wholelly different than their personality or lifestyle. This simple oversight undermines much of what you write on the subject.

  6. As for saving the world, I very much like BD’s approach where he speaks only to people who listen. That sounds much more efficient to me than saving people of the West, or Muslims, or men, or whatever random group.

  7. Co-opting the term “Alpha” is a misnomer. Alpha, Beta, etc are terms describing the rank of individuals within a group.  The “Rank” of an individual is wholelly different than their personality or lifestyle. This simple oversight undermines much of what you write on the subject.

    Well now you’re changing the subject into something completely different. I’ve had this argument before. You’re referring to the scientific, biological definitions of “alpha” and “beta.” When I use these terms, I’m not using the scientific definitions, but the broader PUA / manosphere /red pill definitions of “alpha” and “beta.” If you hate the use of those terms in that way, that’s fine, but those are the terms that were present when I got here, so that’s what I use.

  8. As for saving the world, I very much like BD’s approach where he speaks only to people who listen. That sounds much more efficient to me than saving people of the West, or Muslims, or men, or whatever random group.

    Yep. As I’ve explained many times, the problem with saving the Western world is that the vast majority of the Western world doesn’t want to be saved, and hates you for trying to save it.

    Better to focus on the small percentage of people who want to be “saved” (i.e. happy despite a crumbling world) and work with them to help “save” themselves.

  9. If you hate the use of those terms in that way, that’s fine, but those are the terms that were present when I got here, so that’s what I use.

    No hate. I’d counter that even early descriptions of female preference among PUA’s drew from observations made of the animal kingdom – namely high status males are preferred over low status males. Shifting the focus to personality and disposition  – a new invention – makes it all a muddy mess that’s hard to read, much less benefit from.

    Why refer to a “pack leader” when what you really mean to distinguish personalities of average masculine man? By confusing the legend the map becomes unreadable.

  10. Ha! You described me very well with your “Older Man Alpha 2”.  And yes I do love sugar daddy dating sites and think they’re the greatest thing in the world.

  11. BD — I enjoyed reading this post because you came around to describing my way of living, which for a while I felt perhaps didn’t quite hit your definition of Alpha 2.0. Namely, the interest in “saving” Western civ/masculinity/k-selected society…

    You’re not an alpha 2.0 if you wish to save “K-Selected society.” In a K-Selected society, sexuality and sexual lifestyles mirror the Muslim world, 17th century Christian Puritanism, or at best, the 1950s. Virginity until marriage is encouraged, slut shaming is rampant, men like us are shamed as womanizers and scoundrels, traditional monogamous marriage is praised, and 97 percent of heterosexuality is criminalized! There’s your K-Selected society! Fuck that!

    Compare K selected wolves to R selected rabbits. Wolves have sex like Muslims whereas rabbits have sex like alpha 2.0s.

    If “K-selected society” is what you seek to preserve then you are an alpha male 1.0 slut shamer.

    The biggest gripe that alpha 1s have is that fucking like rabbits and losing your virginity in your early teens makes civilization unsustainable because the family unit becomes impossible. This used to be true before the invention of open relationships which allow for the best of both worlds – R selected sexuality combined with a stable family unit for the kids (and a much more relaxed one).

    Thus, K selected people’s constant whine that sexual liberation will destroy civilization is no longer valid, especially with the advent of birth control, DNA testing, early childhood sex education, and an inculcation into familial stability via the open relationship/polyamory model.

  12. Why refer to a “pack leader” when what you really mean to distinguish personalities of average masculine man?

    I already answered that. I’m not referring to a pack leader in any way, since I’m not using scientific definition of the word “alpha.” When I say “Alpha” I’m referring to the PUA / red pill definition; a strong, confident man with game (regardless of if he’s a leader or not). I don’t think you’re hearing me on this so let’s leave it at that.

  13. @JOTB:

    I don’t know if you’re being deliberately obtuse, but your grasp of r/K selection is weak.

    Do you even lift, brah?

    Enjoy being the rabbit.

  14. I don’t know if you’re being deliberately obtuse, but your grasp of r/K selection is weak.

    Do you have a counter-argument or explanation? Or just insults?

    Do you even lift, brah?

    Yes.

    Enjoy being the rabbit.

    Thank you.

  15. @JOTB

    You’re absolutely right to call me in that. I fired that off at the wrong time. Let’s just say, cancer sucks.

    In the first place,it’s always a mistake to use r/K selection when talking about human behavior… But it appears occasionally and is good shorthand for describing a culture’s general view toward offspring — NOT sexuality.

    Classically, r-selected organisms have lots of offspring and low parental investment. Think any lower order creature: Insects, things that lay a ton of eggs, reptiles, etc…they have a metric shit ton of offspring, have very little parental involvement and the strategy is that at least a few of them will make it to breed another generation,

    In K-selected organisms, there is high parental involvement and fewer offspring. The strategy being that the parents care, feed, defend and teach relatively few offspring, but they are well-prepared to survive and reproduce.

    Now obviously, all humans are, biologically speaking, a K-selected species.

    So…many cultures end up being described as r-selected because they generally have a low-information or highly religious population without access to reliable contraception who still “fuck like rabbits” but end up with a ton of children who they cannot adequately care for, and for whom the government does not provide for–which continues the cycle of ignorance, poverty and overpopulation.

    Western civ is viewed as K-selected because of the high parental investment in the offspring that we actually bring to term. Many of us fuck like rabbits but have the good goddamn sense to have some form of contraception at hand.

    So your conflation of the care of offspring vs. sexuality/morality is a bit off

    It good that you lift.

    How about being a Wolf that fucks like a rabbit…but only has offspring when and how he decides to. It’s a better way to be.

  16. @Jotb Alphas 2.0 remind me of lions. Lions are very K selected. R selected people are lazy, entiteled wellfare-whores. Nothing like what Caleb advocates as a lifestyle that will bring you happiness.

  17. I’m curious if anyone knows of any Alpha 2.0 in the medical field

    I’ve just finished medical school and hate the idea of working 80h weeks for the next 9 years to get my specialty of choice. Plus I’d never be location independent

    I’m half seriously considering working in the black market or doing body modification surgeries

  18. I’m curious if anyone knows of any Alpha 2.0 in the medical field

    A few have emailed me.

    I’ve just finished medical school and hate the idea of working 80h weeks for the next 9 years to get my specialty of choice. Plus I’d never be location independent

    The Alpha Male 2.0 Doctor is self-employed in private practice, does no business with insurance companies (pay for service model), and does remote consultations via phone or Skype. Ideally he’s niched in a very narrow area so as to better market his services and charge more money.

    Another variation is being a medical tourism doctor, basing your practice in a place like Thailand but servicing Americans who make the trip for less expensive treatment. (That’s not 100% location independent though.)

  19. @Johnnysixpack:

    Classically, r-selected organisms have lots of offspring and low parental investment. Think any lower order creature: Insects, things that lay a ton of eggs, reptiles, etc…they have a metric shit ton of offspring, have very little parental involvement and the strategy is that at least a few of them will make it to breed another generation,

    Your above description is that of a typical sexually liberated person living prior to the industrial revolution, before birth control, DNA testing, or modern hygiene. Of course I concede that living the R selected lifestyle would be disastrous and leave a trail of unwanted kids who aren’t taken care of, blood, and misery before the invention of birth control, DNA testing, modern hygiene, 21st century healthcare, industrialization, etc…

    But my argument was that now that we have technology to shield us from the disastrous consequences of promiscuity and R selection (i.e. birth control), we may now act like R selected rabbits in that sense, without creating unwanted children or endangering people or civilization.

    In K-selected organisms, there is high parental involvement and fewer offspring. The strategy being that the parents care, feed, defend and teach relatively few offspring, but they are well-prepared to survive and reproduce.

    Ah okay, then we indeed got our definitions crossed. I’m all in favor of high investment parenting from both biological parents. So you can say I’m pro-K selection in that sense. It’s just that K selection is associated with acting like your resources are limited, thus making the old school traditional monogamy model necessary for survival, which begets heterophobia and sexual restraint (like in the third world). Then when K selected society becomes prosperous, people start acting R selected (like rabbits with an abundance of grass to feed off of).

    Because we live in the first world with modern 21st century technology, I interpreted R selection (in the sexual sense) to mean sexual liberation, except without things like an abundance of kids that no one wants (because our birth control technology can prevent that), while still teaching our children sex-positive attitudes and values like an R selected creature with abundant resources (rabbit), instead of teaching them sexual restraint like a K selected creature with limited resources (wolf).

    But yes, I absolutely support high investment parenting, but within the open relationship/polyamory model.

    Now obviously, all humans are, biologically speaking, a K-selected species.

    Not all. When resources become abundant (like in the West), some of us become R selected in terms of our sexuality (sex-positive), while things like birth control prevent us from suffering the consequences of lower R selected species (too many children who no one takes care of, etc…)

    So…many cultures end up being described as r-selected because they generally have a low-information or highly religious population without access to reliable contraception who still “fuck like rabbits” but end up with a ton of children who they cannot adequately care for, and for whom the government does not provide for–which continues the cycle of ignorance, poverty and overpopulation.

    You’re right. You’re describing Sub-Saharan Africa. When society has no birth control and limited materialistic and technological resources (e.g. third world shitholes), being sex-positive, sexually liberated, and R selected is a terrible idea which will destroy your entire civilization.

    Western civ is viewed as K-selected because of the high parental investment in the offspring that we actually bring to term.

    Okay, if you’re talking about high investment parenting, then we agree.

    Many of us fuck like rabbits but have the good goddamn sense to have some form of contraception at hand.

    Correct! R selected, but with disaster preventing technology.

    So your conflation of the care of offspring vs. sexuality/morality is a bit off

    Well, R selected organisms and the R selected poor act like us, but without birth control, so they end up having tons of babies. And because they don’t want them, the kids are left to fend for themselves. In other words, R selected behavior in impoverished environments leads to low investment parenting.

    Now, I interpret K selected behavior to mean heterophobia, sexual restraint, traditional monogamy, and virginity worship, because these things are necessary to survive in third world shitholes with limited resources. My point was that in an abundant society (like the West) we can switch to R selected behavior (sexual liberation) without the consequences that are paid by the R selected poor. So we will use birth control and only have kids when we want, thus eliminating the concept of low investment parenting that afflicts the R selected third worlders.

    How about being a Wolf that fucks like a rabbit…but only has offspring when and how he decides to. It’s a better way to be.

    100 percent agree!

    Thanks for clarifying!

  20. @Jotb Alphas 2.0 remind me of lions. Lions are very K selected. R selected people are lazy, entiteled wellfare-whores. Nothing like what Caleb advocates as a lifestyle that will bring you happiness.

    Libertarians are R Selected in the social/sexual sense, but K selected in the economic sense. I relate to this as a Libertarian myself.

    Remember, being “lazy” and just relaxing and being happy is perfectly fine as long as you don’t steal from the tax payers or use other people’s money. The libertarian worldview I subscribe to is very clear that it’s fine to be as lazy and spoiled as you want, as long as you can afford it. So if you’re a millionaire, billionaire, or just rich enough for your comfort, be as lazy as you want.

    Just make sure your own money can support your lifestyle. That’s all. So obviously I’m against being a welfare whore or being spoiled at other people’s expense, but hey, if you’re rich enough for your taste, you may even become R selected economically as well as sexually (since your personal resources really are abundant) without betraying libertarian principles or the alpha 2.0 lifestyle.

  21. @JOTB K/r selection has nothing to do with how much sex you have. When females are in heat male lion fucks over 200 times a day. Find me a rabbit that can beat that. 🙂

  22. Is it possible for a 2.0 to temporarily switch between those types?

    Example: Could a Life of the Party guy turn into a Worker if he’s starting a new business that’s requiring constant attention?

  23. “What kind of alpha male is an alpha, who neither is happy, nor is controlling like 1.0?”

    A beta male.

  24. @JOTB K/r selection has nothing to do with how much sex you have. When females are in heat male lion fucks over 200 times a day. Find me a rabbit that can beat that.

    But those females are allowed to have sex with only one lion. This is polygamy.

    If you’re K selected, it means you favor either traditional monogamy, or bigamy/polygamy in which the man fucks multiple women who are allowed to fuck no one but him – essentially monogamy, except with more people (emphasizing female “purity” and male ownership of women as property).

    A sexually liberated female is incompatible with a K selected lifestyle. As such, things like open relationships, polyamory, swinging, MLTRs, OLTRs FBs, FWBs, etc… would never be allowed in a K type environment. At best, we’d be like the Muslims who have multiple “wives” with all of them needing to be “pure” for us.

    Yuck. No thank you.

  25. What kind of alpha male is an alpha, who neither is happy, nor is controlling like 1.0?

    That doesn’t sound like an Alpha.

    Is it possible for a 2.0 to temporarily switch between those types?

    Example: Could a Life of the Party guy turn into a Worker if he’s starting a new business that’s requiring constant attention?

    No. As I explained in detail here, you have one primary you naturally tend to the most and always snap back to. Read that article’s “Absolute?” section; I explain it all there.

  26. I am self employed and pretty much politically libertarian, although I don’t always have women in my life. I’ve had as many as three women in my life, but most of the time I am either defacto monogamous with a girl or don’t have one at all. So maybe I could possibly qualify as semi-celibate hybrid MGTOW/Alpha 2.0. I’m happy with myself regardless.

  27. @JOTB:

    I hear the things you are saying, and from a social/sexual perspective we’re in agreement.

    You are free to use whatever terminology you want to describe your way of thinking, but r/K selection has a specific meaning both to biologists and the Human BioDiversity™ crowd, and the way you are using the term isn’t accurate.

    Even in the shittiest shithole on the planet, humans are technically still K-selective because we, as a biological organism are incapable of r-selective behavior (until and unless all of a sudden female humans are able to lay 100-1000 eggs at a time and little humans start scurrying around fending for themselves at birth…)

    But from an HBD perspective the r/K dichotomy hinges not on how much sex you have, Rather what you (and the society you live in) do when that sex creates a baby and its brought to term…

    Otherwise…keep on keeping on.

  28. @ Jack Outside the Box

    You are wrong that most of society can live the life style you want to live and be ok. You and a minority can and certainly do and should not be prohibited from doing so. Most people are simply not high functioning enough to do what you say you do and not have it be a disaster for themselves and especially their children. Take a look at the ghetto and the ghettos in the West grow and the decent places shrink. I also fail to see how in the long run keeping most men from getting as much sex as previous generations of men in a civilization will work out. Expect more people like George Sodini and Elliot Rodger.

  29. Movement Alpha 2.0 and thrill of the hunt. Like Tom Torero, I like fresh new cookies every time as well. But I must say that I can count guys like myself on one hand. Most are angry, negative and unhappy (especially in the MGTOW/manosphere which I’ve left behind me mainly because most guys out there have such a negative mindset or are just way to narrow-minded IMO). I’ve been playing with the idea of setting up a blog myself, but I think the audience for it will be too small. You’re really unique in your content and approach, like it A LOT. Wouldn’t wanna live any other lifestyle, 2.0 all the way!

  30. Hey BD,

    I enjoyed both this post and part 1.  It’s my impression that your work in all its forms is what’s most important to you in life (you can take kids out of the equation if you would like.)  But do you think it’s possible for a man to live according to your Alpha 2.0 rules and be an Alpha 2.0 (nonmonogamous, self employed, and free in all the other ways you discuss,) and have his OLTR be the most important aspect of his life?

  31. But do you think it’s possible for a man to live according to your Alpha 2.0 rules and be an Alpha 2.0 (nonmonogamous, self employed, and free in all the other ways you discuss,) and have his OLTR be the most important aspect of his life?

    No. If you’re Alpha 2.0, an individual woman can never, ever be the single most important thing in your life. I discuss why in great detail in my book. You can certainly love her, take care of her (financially included), and love her more than anyone else in your life. She can definitely be one of the most important things, like in the top 2 or 3, or perhaps even tied for 2 or 3. But if she’s number 1, all she has to do is put her foot down and demand something, perhaps even threaten to leave you if you don’t do it, and you’ll do it. This is not freedom. Nor is it Alpha.

  32. @Doclove:

    You are wrong that most of society can live the life style you want to live and be ok. You and a minority can and certainly do and should not be prohibited from doing so.

    You may not want to actually prohibit us, but you certainly do seem as if you want to design a culture in which social norms and mores would make it harder for us to live these lifestyles due to increased cultural shame and social stigma, and perhaps even the professional termination of employment – which would be the natural result of a conservative culture’s wishes on the matter.

    Of course you understand why we can’t abide that.

    Most people are simply not high functioning enough to do what you say you do and not have it be a disaster for themselves and especially their children.

    You may be right, although this is where the seduction community comes in. I myself wasn’t “high functioning enough” until I got some good teachers and mentors on these matters.

    Take a look at the ghetto and the ghettos in the West grow and the decent places shrink.

    If you want to perhaps create some kind of balance between a culture that allows the low functioning people to be happy without taking away the freedom or happiness of the high functioning people, then perhaps we can work something out. But I just can’t abide a conservative culture that would, at worst, put me in prison or fire alpha males and females from their jobs due to “community disapproval,” or, at best, shame the shit out of us and pressure women to be “pure and innocent,” thus cockblocking me!

    If there is some kind of hybrid culture between those two extremes which can satisfy most people’s needs without sacrificing red pill freedoms, I might be open to it. For example, we could promote monogamy to the masses while also encouraging the so called “secret society” that would allow wives and girlfriends to safely cheat on their beta men with red pill alpha men, while making sure those betas never find out about it, thus motivating them to continue working and bettering civilization. I’d be open to that. Same thing with red pill men safely cheating on their blue pill women.

    Some compromises can be made, but I draw the line at making it significantly harder for men (and women) like us to be excessively cockblocked or professionally disciplined by a bunch of self righteous tradcons hell bent on slut shaming and ruining all our fun!

    I also fail to see how in the long run keeping most men from getting as much sex as previous generations of men in a civilization will work out. Expect more people like George Sodini and Elliot Rodger.

    Everything entails risk or a price to pay. But I agree that that price should be minimized as much as possible. I believe this seduction community serves as a necessary correction to murderers like Sodini and Rodger. They were the anti-PUAs who did the exact opposite of what this community told them to do. To minimize beta attitudes and at least strengthen alpha personalities, this community has done a lot of good. No one will ever hear about all those shootings that we prevented precisely by spreading the red pill message and getting men laid.

    In any case, we can come up with some kind of balance, I think, which won’t result in excessive cockblocks from the slut shaming tradcon purity police.

  33. Can a Mechanical Engineer that works 5-8 hours, can be an Alpha 2.0?

    why only the self-employed guys can be 2.0?

  34. Can a Mechanical Engineer that works 5-8 hours, can be an Alpha 2.0?

    It depends on whether or not you control your own schedule. If you have to report to an office five days a week for specific hours, then no. If you work from home the vast majority of the time and set your own schedule, then yes.

    why only the self-employed guys can be 2.0?

    Because Alpha 2.0 is about freedom, and if you work at the typical corporate office job, you are not only not free, but your status is pretty much the opposite of free.

  35. Well im 24 now, and how can I sell a product if I havent had enough experience to actually gain knowlede of which I can sell?

    Arent you first have to know something, and then sell?

    you did say that if someone want to be a lawyer or doctor he can be Alpha 2.0. and I know that doctors dont have any time to breath.

  36. Well im 24 now, and how can I sell a product if I havent had enough experience to actually gain knowlede of which I can sell?

    Go get an entry-level sales position and have them train you.

    Arent you first have to know something, and then sell?

    Ideally you should, but you don’t have to. I’ve met salespeople who made $80K+ per year who didn’t know shit. But they worked hard.

    you did say that if someone want to be a lawyer or doctor he can be Alpha 2.0. and I know that doctors dont have any time to breath.

    That is not what I said. I said if you want to go to college, you’d better fucking be a doctor or attorney, or else you’re an idiot. These days I’ve even deleted “attorney” from that, since there are lots of out of work attorneys out here.

    Regarding being an Alpha 2.0 doctor, I addressed that several comments above.

  37. Nice post!, personally I realized I’m gravitating towards a “Life of the party model”. It would be awesome if you could give more details of these models, or how they use social circle game in this case.

  38. how long your “longest-time client” of your, made his path to the AM 2.0?

    Im asking this because u did mention in your book (pg 338) that in order to cancel a debt you should even get back to college and work a couple of years in order to…

    so I did ask above about Mechanical engineer under those circumstance.

    good jobs on sells today in my country (not usa) – they only take someone who learn some degree.

    and I assumed that engineering are paying high for getting things started and in the while I started a online business. because it really tough with entry level job.

  39. Im asking this because u did mention in your book (pg 338) that in order to cancel a debt you should even get back to college

    I have never said that, or anything like that, on page 338 or any other page. College is a terrible idea for an American unless you’re going to be a doctor. Even if you’re outside the US and college is free, it still usually a bad idea because of the opportunity cost and false SP it instills.

  40. Even if you’re outside the US and college is free, it still usually a bad idea because of the opportunity cost and false SP it instills.

    It depends a lot about what you enjoy. If you enjoy business or anything related to that, I completely agree: Learn by starting a business. Most of the colleges here (even university levels) are complete scams, and you should just learn by yourself.

    (If you want to study stupid shit like history / physical / culture / arts / whatever, you must accept the fact that you will always be in a field with high unemployment)

    If you, however, want to spend your time in the scientific or medical fields, where any real progress is done by more than one person, you should definitely take the opportunity to snatch a free education.

    My Mission is very integrated into the scientific fields, and I made sure to get a job where 1) I work 32 hours a week 2) I get paid one of the highest hourly salaries in the country 3) I can even work from home if I so choose.

    Do I like business? Yes. Do I like making a serious difference for many people? Even more so. Especially when it also pays more than most business positions.
    (I’d actually love to set up my own business on the side, but I could take a side job instead and earn an hourly wage that would take years to achieve with your own business)

    Is setting up your own shop really necessary for 2.0 status? Not really, but you need to put in the work to get there (As well as if you had your own business).

  41. As for life of the party alpha, what do you think of having set with women in the same social circle? What is your standing in this, pros and cons, troubles?

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