One of the biggest reasons why men screw up and don’t get laid is because of bad date logistics. This is when, on a date (a second date, if you’re using my system) the logistics are such that it’s either impossible or very difficult to have sex with the woman you’re with.

Bad logistics can vary wildly. I too have been guilty of bad logistics in the past. Many other men have told me about their logistics problems on dates. Here are a few random examples:

– You’re ready to have sex, she’s ready to have sex, but there is someone back at her place, or you’re too far away from your place, and you don’t have money for a hotel.

– It’s very late at night and she’s comfortable enough to have sex but not comfortable enough to go back to your place, and there’s no where to go.

– You’re both ready to have sex but you suddenly need to take a big shit (or throw up), killing the mood. (Yes, guys have done this.)

– You head out to the date, but you haven’t eaten all day, so you’re starving, and thus modify a correct bar date to an incorrect go-to-a-restaurant-and-eat-out date which spikes ASD, screws up your frame, and kills your odds of getting to sex fast.

You like to drink, so you drink too much on the date, get too comfortable, and start breaking all kinds of dating rules, killing your chances.

– You’re both ready to have sex, but you didn’t bring any condoms, and she refuses sex without one.

– You’re both ready for sex, but you’ve already had sex twice earlier that day with someone else and are reluctant to go a third time because you think you might not be able to perform. (This is one of those Alpha Male 2.0 quality problems.)

– You get her back to your place to have sex but forgot to tell your roommates to leave, and she’s too nervous to have sex with roommates in the apartment.

– You’re both ready for sex, but since you didn’t plan logistics correctly, you spend an hour or two running around trying to find a place to fuck (a friend’s house, the car, a hotel) and by the time you find a place you missed your window and now she just wants to go home.

And on, and on, and on.

Bad date logistics are always your fault. Always! I have never heard of a bad logistics scenario that wasn’t 100% preventable by a little pre-planning on the part of the man. That includes when I’ve had logistics problems. They were always because I was stupid or in a hurry and didn’t plan correctly.

If you’re following my system, you are having a very brief first date with no sexual activity followed up quickly by a second date where you move to sex fast.

This means that before you leave for the second date, you need to come to a complete stop, force yourself to calm down, and focus. In your mind, pre-plan out exactly how and where you are going to have sex with this new woman.

Once you do this, you need to go back through your plan and ask yourself this question: What are the logistical problems that could arise with this plan that would make it difficult to have sex? If you can envision some, then you need to come up with logistical solutions before you leave your home, or change your plan.

I’ll give you two examples.

I have found that sometimes I’m not quite as hard the very first time I have sex with a new woman. This doesn’t always happen, but it happens sometimes. Combine this with the fact I always use a condom on first-time women, and this can sometimes create some interesting scenarios during first-time sex. Not always. Not even most of the time. But sometimes.

Also, there are unusual times were women aren’t as wet as they need to be during first-time sex, and sometimes condom usage exacerbates this as well.

Therefore, when I go out on a second date where I’m reasonably sure sex will occur, I not only make sure I have condoms, but I also make sure I have a small, travel-size bottle of lube on me as well. Right before sex, a drop or two goes inside the condom and outside the condom, solving both problems.

Now here’s the thing: the vast majority of the time when I have first-time sex with a new woman, I don’t need it. But during those unusual times when I need it, it’s there.

Now here’s a more complicated, but not usual scenario.

You’re a 26 year-old guy who lives with two roommates. You’re about to go out on a second date with a hot 22 year-old. You’re following my system and had a perfect Blackdragon first date, so you assume (correctly) that your odds of having sex with this girl tonight are high.

You were going to just have her come over, but she indicated to you that she wanted to meet at a bar down the street first, so you agreed (which is okay).

First, you plan it out. You’re going to meet up with her at the bar, have just one drink, chat for a bit, and as soon as you can, bounce her to your apartment. You don’t want your roommates there because that might make her nervous, so you’ve made sure that one of them is working tonight and the other one will be out with his friends. Good logistics planning, at least so far.

You go through your room and make sure you have condoms. Dammit, you’re out! So you run down to the store and get some. Again, good. So far, you are light-years ahead of the typical 26 year-old at this point.

Then you take things to the next level and think through the possible problems that might occur. There are two that immediately come to mind.

The first one is that one of your roommates is an irresponsible idiot, and it’s entirely possible he could come stumbling into your apartment much earlier than he said he would, right as you’re trying to sexually escalate with her. Not good!

The second problem is that you and the girl have a mutual friend who lives just two apartments down from you, and she knows his car. She could see his car in the parking lot and get nervous.

So thus armed, you come up with contingency plans. First, you’re going to have a strong talk with your moron roommate and tell him he can NOT come home before 9pm that night under any circumstances. You’re also going to text him before you start sexually escalating on the girl to confirm that he is, indeed, across town with his buddies.

Next, you’re going to make sure to drive into the apartment complex from the right entrance instead of the usual left entrance, where your mutual friend usually parks, so she won’t see his car.

So you take care of all these logistics, and have sex with her within two hours on the second date, and she becomes an amazing long-term MLTR. Well done!

Don’t worry if this preparation seems like a lot of trouble. Once you get in the habit of doing this, it only takes a minute, perhaps even less than that, to think this stuff through. Reading through this the first time is much more work than actually doing it.

I do this stuff every time I’m preparing for a second date. You should too. It’s even possible that if you can’t solve certain logistical problems you should reschedule the date for another time to ensure more favorable logistics. Yeah, I know, I don’t like rescheduling the date either, and time is your enemy, but I’d rather have a favorable date two days from now than a second date tonight with horrible logistics. (And remember, logistics don’t really apply to first dates under my system, just second ones.)

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90 Comments on “Bad Date Logistics Are Always Your Fault

  1. Logistics are a bitch. I’ve missed so many lays because of it. Second date system is a very good system exactly because it is easier to convince her to come straight to your place. Anytime you gotta meet her somewhere else, things can get out of hand very quickly.

    Who drives her there? How far is the place from your house? Are you picking her up? What if she lives in the other side of town? Now both of you have cars and she has to follow you what spikes ASD. What if she is in her period? more ASD. What if she has a friend/parent waiting her at home? Now you have a time frame that makes the schedule tighter. So many variables you cant control.

    Something I think is important is to have something at home that is interesting and you can invite her over to check it out. Maybe it is some awesome dessert in your fridge, some nice weird pet, some art piece etc. Music used to be a great bait, but now with spotify you dont need to move from a location to another to play music. Maybe if you play guitar or whatever.

    A friend of mine had a killer strategy. He had a big aquarium in his room, right next to his bed. He even had a little turtle. For some reason girls always wanted to go check it out. Turtles at home are uncommon, and little turtles are cute. They would get in his place and go straight to his room check his aquarium, sitting right on his bed. Then the check mate: he had fluorescent fish – “let me turn off the lights and join you in my bed so we can watch the little fluorescent fish” – easiest bangs ever.

    He eventually gave up because the turtle kept eating his very expensive fluorescent fish, but it was a killer strategy for a while.

    I even made it work a few times just telling the girl “hey come to my place I have a surprise for you” – turned out it was my cock. They nevermind

    Of course this is only necessary when she resists a little bit on the idea of going to your place.

  2. I found my odds of sex on the second date improved dramatically when I added an activity, before going back to my place.

    I usually go for a walk or hike with them…there are several options near my place.

    This adds some time to the whole process, but they are usually much more sexually receptive when we get back to my place.

  3. What if she is in her period?

    BD, do you also pan for avoiding that? Do you systematically talk about her menstrual cycle during the first date, how to bring that up smoothly yet systemically before the 2nd date? Or you just plan to be prepared for having sex with her periods ?

    This happens quite often to me that she has her blood periods the very first time we fuck, I almost wonder if they do it on purpose to have an excuse to not have sex if the guy isn’t turning her on finally. Most of the time they do want to have sex with me, and I am prepared for it. But I would rather like to never be around any woman during her periods, even on a 2nd date. First date, I don’t care as much since I won’t even be kissing her.

    I try to ask before the date something like “How are you feeling today, are you still up for meeting in XXXX at YY:YYPM?” In the hope that she tells me she has stomach cramps from her periods. Sometimes they do say it and I reschedule the 2nd date, but most of the time they do not say it.

     

    Few times I managed to bring up smoothly her menstrual cycle and got the dates before the 2nd date, but I haven’t come up yet with a systemic way to get that information nicely before the 2nd date.

  4. I found my odds of sex on the second date improved dramatically when I added an activity, before going back to my place.
    I usually go for a walk or hike with them…there are several options near my place.
    This adds some time to the whole process, but they are usually much more sexually receptive when we get back to my place.

    How long does the activity takes, between the instant you greet her on the 2nd date to the instant you start having sex? (I mean there that your penis enters either her mouth, vagina or anus, the things before, such as fingering or handjob, we will consider sexual escalation but not yet sex, for the sake of simplifying this question)

    Also how long between the moment you enter your place (or hers) after the activity and have sex?

    I managed to get greet to sex down to 60 minutes with watching a short movie at my place during the 2nd date. I greet her at the shopping mall where we had our first date generally, which is 4 minutes walk from my place. Sometimes I did not even explicitly say at any time before or during that we were going to my place, I just talk with them while walking them to my place.

    What other activities do you plan besides walk/hike? Or is it always walk/hike?

  5. They would get in his place and go straight to his room check his aquarium, sitting right on his bed.

    And that is a reason why my friend, I enjoy renting a tiny studio: there is only one room where the bed is. The more minimalist the set up of my place, the easiest and quickest the bang.

  6. I think some of you guys are way over thinking this shit. If she’s coming to your place for D2, she’s at least open to the idea of having sex. Generally if that doesn’t happen, it’s your fault (not escalating properly). If she’s attracted to you, she’ll make herself available and will show up at your door.

    Every woman that’s come over for D2, since I’ve been using BDs system, has ended up fucking that night.  Hell even most that agree that night will too (think about 4/5)…SNLs tend to be more of ONS and don’t convert well to ongoing it seems.

    One of my biggest mistakes was not moving quickly enough from first to second date, to lock in (blew it with at least a few by trying to keep to once a week).

  7. I def drink too much on dates.  On new years i went home with a chick from the bar.  I had to go run to puke while we were in bed haha.  Total buzzkill.  In the morning i got the cold shoulder too.  Wah wah.  My other vice is jerking off too much and not even being interested in sed with the girl when i see her cause my dick is beat!  Get it?

  8. If you’re following my system, you are having a very brief first date with no sexual activity followed up quickly by a second date where you move to sex fast.

    Does this mean make no moves at all during the first date? Does this apply to all chicks or only 33+s?

    I had a pretty decent ice cream date with single mom who was 30, made a quick move on her to end the date (very short kiss, like 5 seconds). Should I have not made that move?

  9. my city is quite big and sometimes i’ve to drive one way 20km+ to see her, and girls ive taken out are usually foreigner here (unless i can get her physical compliance to meet me which means she’s likely DTF because high attraction).

    Sometimes i just made out instantly in car on #1 meeting because my logistics is restricted hence it could trigger her ASD not wanting to come out in future, i don’t know man…sometimes a girl might seem eager to have physical intimacy on #1 date, by waiting for 2nd date u could possibly kill the tension cause she’s likely want to fuck you, unless she’s a virgin or sexually inexperienced.

  10. First part of figuring out the logistics is to make a woman wet enough to where she’ll fuck you anywhere at anytime on the actual date instead of waiting until you’re in private…  If you know you don’t have a place to fuck you better seduce the fuck out of her to point where she’s squirming around like her pussy is on fire so she’s figuring out in her head if she can fuck you in the bathroom or the parking lot of whatever place you’re at.  Women will happily figure out the logistics for you..  Being a single dad, with custody, I had to learn to get past not having a place and I wasn’t springing for a hotel, unless they paid and they have.  Contrary to popular belief women love acting like teenagers again and will suck and fuck you pretty much anywhere..  I don’t care if they’re over 33 and chock full of ASD..

     

  11. Does this mean make no moves at all during the first date? Does this apply to all chicks or only 33+s?

    I had a pretty decent ice cream date with single mom who was 30, made a quick move on her to end the date (very short kiss, like 5 seconds). Should I have not made that move?

    Sometimes i just made out instantly in car on #1 meeting because my logistics is restricted hence it could trigger her ASD not wanting to come out in future, i don’t know man…sometimes a girl might seem eager to have physical intimacy on #1 date, by waiting for 2nd date u could possibly kill the tension cause she’s likely want to fuck you, unless she’s a virgin or sexually inexperienced.

     
    Every situation will be different, based on your experience and how much the girl is into you.
     
    My success rate improved massively when I didn’t do any physical escalation on the first date but did do a lot of non-verbal escalation stuff like holding deep eye contact, future projection, dummy palm reads, sexual innuendo etc..
     
    You remove their ASD by showing that you like them sexually but aren’t some horny teenager who wants a quick fumble & snog but a sexual guy who is non-needy.
     

     

  12. Sometimes i just made out instantly in car on #1 meeting because my logistics is restricted hence it could trigger her ASD not wanting to come out in future

    that’s how I do it..  Drive long ways and they’re almost always down for doing something in the car.. Unless the girl is very shy she’s usually making the first move if you’ve properly seduced her…  Night date during the week (less people in bar and parking lot), place that is a little empty so you can freely seduce, little alcohol (not enough they can’t drive in a bit), and boom she’s ready to go right then and there..  If she has an SUV, and a lot do, it’s easier than it should be…  I have never had to get a hotel on the first fuck..  I’ve driven around looking for one (mistake gives time to think) but usually end up in some park..  Weirdly I think they would rather do it quickly in a park..  Now since I have a kid all the time, and they usually have kids, I’ll sometimes sneak them in (or at their place) after the kid goes to bed and they’ll leave a couple hours later..   Women surprisingly find all of this sneaking around exciting..  Especially women over 33 who should be more opposed to this..

  13. If she’s coming to your place for D2, she’s at least open to the idea of having sex. 

    Oh yeah definitely. It is date 1 or when she’s dodgy about going to your place that you may need some techniques. I don’t really follow BDs system btw

  14. Something I think is important is to have something at home that is interesting and you can invite her over to check it out. Maybe it is some awesome dessert in your fridge

    Nah man, cook it in front of them. Souffles are good for this, show off whipping the meringue up, cooks for 16 minutes which allows for some escalation with a timer on, then they come out all puffy and sensual.

    I def drink too much on dates.

    I’m sober 2 weeks now and I’m hornier than hell. The association with alcohol and sex is a bad one. There’s no doubt that alcohol inhibits sexual performance, and one of BD’s core Alpha 2.0 rules is to make sure the women in your life cum every time….in other words, fuck them well and do your job. That’s what keeps them coming back.

  15. What do you do if you invite her over for the second date but she wants to meet at a bar instead?

    Meet her at a bar. That’s acceptable. Try to bounce to your place. Otherwise go for your place on date three.

    I think some of you guys are way over thinking this shit. If she’s coming to your place for D2, she’s at least open to the idea of having sex.

    Correct. That goes double if she’s under age 33.

    Does this mean make no moves at all during the first date?

    No attempts to have sex and no kissing. But kino, sex talk, and sexual frame are good and recommended.

    Does this apply to all chicks or only 33+s?

    All women, if you’re following my system.

    I had a pretty decent ice cream date with single mom who was 30, made a quick move on her to end the date (very short kiss, like 5 seconds). Should I have not made that move?

    Correct, that was a mistake. No kissing on a first date, period (if you’re following my system).

    My success rate improved massively when I didn’t do any physical escalation on the first date but did do a lot of non-verbal escalation stuff like holding deep eye contact, future projection, dummy palm reads, sexual innuendo etc..

    Precisely.

    Physical escalation on the first date (light kino excepted) raises ASD and lowers your overall chances.

  16. Nah man, cook it in front of them. Souffles are good for this, show off whipping the meringue up, cooks for 16 minutes which allows for some escalation with a timer on, then they come out all puffy and sensual.

    I’m a little bit on the wall about cooking. I did it few times, and I cook very well btw, but it makes me feel uneasy. Looks like you’re trying to hard. Or at least I keep feeling that way and it messes with my game. I’d rather

    I cook to MLTRs all the time, but new girls I’m in better control when I’m in my natural lazy self and they keep trying to get my attention.

    Also it is too much work. I was kinda disapointed that me cooking before sex never really became a thing

  17. Correct, that was a mistake. No kissing on a first date, period (if you’re following my system). All women, if you’re following my system.

    I figured that, I had a feeling I was pressuring her when I put the moves on. I thought it was just for 33+s. Well, I learned my lesson haha. I got another date lined up for the same place this Friday, but its with a 33+, meh.

     

  18. I’m a little bit on the wall about cooking. I did it few times, and I cook very well btw, but it makes me feel uneasy. Looks like you’re trying to hard. Or at least I keep feeling that way and it messes with my game.

    All fair…..seems best to not have to consult any recipe, which makes it far more natural and less try hard.

    For me, dessert kind of replaces “let’s go to my place for a nightcap” since I no longer keep booze in the house….if on a D2, a woman came to my place, had a good meal, and bailed, I would feel far less stupid/used than if I paid $60 for the pleasure.

    I know full well my lifestyle will turn off plenty of women, esp. around my age. Provider Hunters will be especially disappointed.

  19. Finally scored my first really hot fwb/mltr. Guess it didn’t take that long following the system.

    Any articles BD on dealing with sexual insecurity? A few times, not many, I’ve had trouble performing with her because of it. She has a ton of sexual experience (in the 100’s), bangin’ body, great in bed, has her life in order (for a woman, at least), we connect and have similar outlooks on a lot of stuff, she cooks for me and stuff whenever I come over, etc. etc.

    I’m kind of on the inside wondering sometimes ‘wtf is this woman into me?’

    Is the only answer seek out other women like her and bed them down too, or…?

    I haven’t engaged in oneitis behaviors as of yet. I’ve mistakenly done the boyfriend behaviors of (1) seeing her more than once a week and (2) telling her i was thinking about her or missed her (pretty much in the context of us having sex, but still…)

    But…I’m losing interest in other fbs because she’s so much better. Even the hot 22 year old just seems really boring (this chick is 30).

    Is the answer to just redouble efforts to find other women at her level or better, or what?

     

  20. Guys, you really are way overthinking this. Do you actually think you have to “trick” her into visiting your home?

    After the first date, she will have made up her mind about you pretty firmly. Either she wants to have sex with you or she doesn’t, depending on your appearance, first date game etc. She also well knows that you want it, women are very perceptive. Why would it make any difference at all whether you’re inviting her to see your fish tank, to cook together, or just to hang out?

    All you have to do is not screw things up. Ways to do so include:

    — Bad logistics, as described in the article. It’s just hard to be seen as a manly man who has everything under control in such situations. I guess it’s possible, when encountering a hurdle, to raise tension even more, making her feel that any second now you’re going to disregard the hindrance and take her then and there, but it seems to be a very advanced technique.

    — An overly complicated pretext if bouncing her from an establishment to your home. If you have a contrived idea such as cooking a multi-course meal together and something doesn’t go according to plan, you don’t have an easy path to forgo the activity and just fuck. BD says that something as simple and non-committing as “I have to do something work-related on my home PC for a moment” works fine for him, why complicate things?

    — Failure to provide any pretext at all. If you offer a walk from an establishment and all of a sudden end up by your door, your invitation would take her by surprise. (However, I’m guilty of doing exactly this multiple times, and it had a higher success rate than some might think. Though this also runs into some of the problems listed below.)

    — Being too direct and spiking ASD by being perceived as creepy or threatening.

    — Being so indirect that you get friendzoned (“he doesn’t seem to want to fuck me but he seems an interesting person, let’s just talk to him endlessly”).

    — Being so indirect that she falls into auto-rejection (“he doesn’t seem to want to fuck me, oh well, I shall now post-rationalize to convince myself I never liked him in the first place”).

    — Being so indirect that she shows up unprepared for sex, thinking it wouldn’t happen, despite being interested in it. E. g. she failed to shave, and when you escalate she feels uncomfortable and resists. Or maybe she’s on her period, and had you been more direct, she would have rescheduled, but now she’s on a date with you but won’t have sex, which is not good at all.

    Instead, just offer to hang out at your place, thus stating your intentions clearly yet with plausible deniability. She’ll either agree and you won’t have any need for pretexts, or she’ll suggest a public place instead to build some more comfort but she’ll well know sexy things are likely to ensue, or she’ll decline and save your time.

  21. Logistics problems should be rare if you’re experienced and in your home city.

    Rule 1: Schedule date near your own pad, if you want to get laid. Then, there’s an easy excuse to “bounce” to your pad after. Make up any old thing so she doesn’t feel like a slut. The aquarium full of ocotopi, jellyfish, and pokemon is a good one. No actual aquarium required. I usually schedule dates that are a 5-15 minute walk to my place (I live in a major city). She has to drive an hour? Fuck it, make her drive.

    Rule 2: Make sure your pad is clean. In general chicks don’t care if they want to bang (truth) but I left some condoms out before and the chick was put off by how much of a man-slut I was/ appeared to be.

    Rule 3: No roommates. This will take care of a lot of obstacles. And by the way, chicks seldom want to bang at their own place for a first-bang. Who knows why. It’s a probably a dump and she wants to put the pressure on you. So it goes.

     

    The only recent logistical issue I’ve faced was (stupidly) staying at a hostel during a long 4-week Euro tour. I only stayed at the hostel for 4-5 days total because it was supposed to be among the best in Europe. Sure, but that’s like being tallest midget in the circus. NEVER AGAIN.

    Anyway I’m sharing a room with 2-3 arseclowns, and the chick drove an hour to come meet me for a date. So there’s nowhere to bang really. So we banged in her (tiny) car. Sometimes you gotta call an audible. Rule 4: Fuck hostels if you want to get laid, or are not living in poverty.

  22. Why would it make any difference at all whether you’re inviting her to see your fish tank, to cook together, or just to hang out?

    Because it lowers ASD.  You want to convey the message that you want to fuck her, at the same time, appear outcome independent.  Best way I can think of to do that, is have some reason why she should come to your place that has nothing to do with sex and is perfectly natural.  You are correct that by date 2 she is probably ok with having sex with you, but anything you can do to keep her from thinking that is your entire plan, is a good idea IMO.  (She wants to believe that sex isn’t at least the entire reason for going to your place.)  I believe you can still blow up day 2 by letting her sense ahead of time that you are planning on sex.

  23. Do you actually think you have to “trick” her into visiting your home?

    Call it trickery. I call it game. She is not calling the shots like you said, you are. Might just need a little more effort – better than letting her walk and starting over with someone else without even trying…

     

    No actual aquarium required.

    Exactly – You got it.

    Make sure your pad is clean.

    Haha lol I never had a problem with that. But i keep used condoms in the trash. Sometimes chicks see that and I just say it means I’m clean with a grin. I like when they ‘complain’ the hair in the bathroom doesnt match hers… I’ll just say I’ll try to bring girls with matching hair color next time. It is always just a shit test.

    Because it lowers ASD.  You want to convey the message that you want to fuck her, at the same time, appear outcome independent.  Best way I can think of to do that, is have some reason why she should come to your place that has nothing to do with sex and is perfectly natural.

    exactly

     

  24. Completely agree with this post. But something I sometimes come up against, especially on holidays, is a young girl’s friends. There have been too many times when a girl who clearly wants to fuck has not because her friends have unintentionally or intentionally cockblocked me. In this context, part of logistics is ensuring her friends are accounted for and fine, so she won’t be worrying about them and thinking about the great sex she’s gonna get from you.

  25. I once put a first date on hold for literally four or five weeks (4-5 different attempts to schedule) because the logistics were bad – the girl always wanted to meet halfway to her place, or she had made other plans for 1.5 hours after the date.

    Anyway, I didn’t buy it and kept putting her off. Finally she agreed to a date four weeks later – in her area. Well, that’s still logistics I can worth it although tougher than having it near my own place, so I went – and I ended up pulling her to *my* place (an hour away) by the end of the night. In that situation I went through the motions of a two date model and drove her home after the date, but it dawned on me she wanted more when she wouldn’t get out of the car at her house, so instead we drove to mine.

    It’s always worth it to wait for good logistics.

  26. You never addressed the instance where you have to take a big shit which might turn into  more complicated into a wipe and go. Baby wipes would help I guess. But how would you address the having to take a dump issue.

  27. Do you actually think you have to “trick” her into visiting your home?

    Call it trickery. I call it game. She is not calling the shots like you said, you are. Might just need a little more effort – better than letting her walk and starting over with someone else without even trying…

    No actual aquarium required.

    Fuck that shit.. I’m with him….  “would you like to get into the back seat” or “would you like to come over tomorrow night?” (while shes rubbing your dick in the front seat of her car) yes!!!  The end..  I want a woman as excited to fuck me as I am her or I move on..  If they ain’t wet, squirming, groping me, pushing me up against shit, and about to orgasm at the thought of fucking me I ain’t happy… And if they don’t cum after a couple fucks I move on…  It’s too easy to find willing women who worship your dick and will cum for days to be messing with women that ain’t excited to get your dick in their mouths…  If I have to start convincing women to come to my house to fuck me I’ll go back to being married..

  28. If I meet a girl out at a bar, we hit it off after talking for about 30 min, and have a date on Friday, is that a first date or second date on Friday?

  29. Fuck her in a park. What’d you think parks are for? Walks? Fuck no! Those trees are there to give you cover while you’re fucking. Never date single moms either, those bitches deserve to die of loneliness.

  30. If I meet a girl out at a bar, we hit it off after talking for about 30 min, and have a date on Friday, is that a first date or second date on Friday?

    Under my system, if the first meet was that long (30 minutes), the next meet is considered a second date.

  31. Never date single moms either, those bitches deserve to die of loneliness

    Be curious to know where that weird shit is coming from. But not to worry, all the more for me.

  32. Never date single moms either, those bitches deserve to die of loneliness

    Be curious to know where that weird shit is coming from. But not to worry, all the more for me.

    Likewise. Confused and unreliable like crap, but some of the best sex I had. If you know what youre getting yourself into, its all fine. I didn’t, clearly, but I’ve learned my lessen and would gladly do it again, but with different expectations…

  33. Fuck her in a park. What’d you think parks are for? Walks? Fuck no! Those trees are there to give you cover while you’re fucking.

    And in winter?

  34. I found it funny you sometimes don’t perform well at first sex, Blackdragon. Part of my logistics is jerking off at least twice the previous 24 hours (3 if she’s more than “cute”) to make sure I don’t come too early (I’m 30).

    On another matter, I find the ratio of women hesitant to fuck because they’re on their period is greater than mere chance would have you think. Maybe it’s because they were ovulating 2 weeks earlier when they went online and they first saw my profile? It’s not really a problem, I’ve become a master at letting them know I don’t mind. Having a clean red towel ready is of course another part of my logistics planning.

  35. I found it funny you sometimes don’t perform well at first sex, Blackdragon. Part of my logistics is jerking off at least twice the previous 24 hours (3 if she’s more than “cute”) to make sure I don’t come too early (I’m 30).

    I have the opposite. With new women I sometimes don’t perform – it doesnt get hard enough / doesn’t stay that way / takes too long to finish etc. This is with new women with condom, without condom and with not so new women there is no problem. I also have no problem when thinking about her afterwards when she leaves. Therefore I know it is 100% psychological but some women don’t understand it and get the wrong ideas. I have never tried the thing with the lube inside and outside the condom (never used lube in my life for any purpose before) but maybe I should try that to see if that makes a difference. I also noticed that making the foreplay and teasing very long makes a huge difference.

  36. On another matter, I find the ratio of women hesitant to fuck because they’re on their period is greater than mere chance would have you think. Maybe it’s because they were ovulating 2 weeks earlier when they went online and they first saw my profile? It’s not really a problem, I’ve become a master at letting them know I don’t mind. Having a clean red towel ready is of course another part of my logistics planning.

    Meh, I find it that if she really wants to fuck you she will schedule a day when she doesn’t have period, conversely women use this excuse even if they don’t have a period, so I find it doesn’t make much difference. If a woman tells me she has a period I say we can do other things and watch how she responds. Then it becomes clear if it was an excuse to not want to have sex or if she really has one and really wants to do other things… I don’t really mind, those other things are also good fun and often get neglected when new couples are busy just doing normal sex.

  37. If a woman tells me she has a period..  

    I just say okay if you say so with a huge grin and wink.. then infuck her…  women can’t help themselves…  if you’ve done your job and increased a woman’s attraction for you to the point where she can’t help herself..  she’ll fuck you no matter how bad her period is..  as long as you act like you…  don’t give a fuck!!!  Of course there’s anal..  once again if she’s attracted enough (our job) she’ll let you do what ever you want…

    this whole not fucking on a period shit is for poor guys stuck in marriage hell with women who have lost their attraction for the poor guy, who slaves all day, buttttt… he didn’t put the mayo away..  so no sex

  38. If I have to start convincing women to come to my house to fuck me

    Isn’t this the definition of game? I think you are overthinking this. It’s not trickery, Its not forcing yourself in a girl that doesn’t want sex. Some of the wildest sex I ever had happened with girls that I had to work very hard to get to bed. Not everytime it clicks perfectly. You’re misenterpreting the whole thing.

    Just like it is fair game to learn some body language, some openers and to have some strategy (lol this is also a seduction blog that teach some pua techniques), it is good to have a card on the sleeve whenever the girl gets some ASD before going to your place.

    This is with new women with condom, without condom and with not so new women there is no problem.

    Also me. Fuc***** hate condoms

     if you’ve done your job and increased a woman’s attraction for you to the point where she can’t help herself..  she’ll fuck you no matter how bad her period is.. 

    Exactly, period will only come into play if she is not really into sex in the first place, although I suspect it elevates the girls ASD as they get kind of afraid they will open their legs and the dude will be “eww blood”. Every complains about dudes that wouldn’t do it during their periods (and ironically every girl avoid doing it during their periods late in a relationship when they want an excuse to avoid sex overall)

  39. This is with new women with condom, without condom and with not so new women there is no problem.

    Also me. Fuc***** hate condoms

    I got to the point where I tell myself I compromise on safety because otherwise it just doesn’t work and so I am just screening for women who should be relatively clean…

  40. I got to the point where I tell myself I compromise on safety because otherwise it just doesn’t work and so I am just screening for women who should be relatively clean…

    Doesn’t sound like best practice. Also have you tried female condoms? They’re way better in lots of aspects. BD has an article on them somewhere.

  41. BD a little off topic but there is this chick on Tinder. We both swiped left.  We chatted for a while and its clear she likes to chat to me.  However every time (3rd time now) I proposed we meet (either public or at my place) I get serious push back and the excuses are getting lame.  Then right after when I say it’s cool we can do this whenever (outcome independent motivated move) she immediately tries to get my attention back.

     

    May I mention the 3 times where three days in a row –  could this perhaps mean she is having her time of the month?

     

    Or maybe she is dating other guys and doesn’t have time for me just yet but also doesn’t want to let the opportunity pass………..

    Is she teasing me or what?

    Or should I “soft next” her for 48 hours?

    May I also mention she is texting me some serious sexual jokes (memes etc)

     

  42. @Joe She sounds like an attention junkie. There are loads of them on Tinder. They don’t really want to date someone they swipe on there, they just go in it to get validation from guys.

    Next her for at least two days & see what happens. If she starts chasing you, tell her your busy & push for the date. If she goes back to excuses, delete her & move on.

  43. Thx Neil

    Right now she is texting me again but I will ignore her until Friday and then see what happens.

  44. We chatted for a while and its clear she likes to chat to me.  However every time (3rd time now) I proposed we meet (either public or at my place) I get serious push back and the excuses are getting lame.  

    Tinder in a nutshell

  45. We chatted for a while and its clear she likes to chat to me.  However every time (3rd time now) I proposed we meet (either public or at my place) I get serious push back and the excuses are getting lame.

    Tinder in a nutshell

    Doesn’t really happen to me. I usually get very clear no / delete or very clear yes most of the time. Its super rare this happens. But I ask fast so the attention junkies usually just delete me. Ive been experiencing something else and thats having consistenly matched by same women who never talk to me. Also sometimes they do and thy do not remember that we matched before or even had conversations before. Women have goldfish memory. But once I got matched with a girl who remembered me and I didnt remember her – so I guess it happens both sides.

    I got to the point where I tell myself I compromise on safety because otherwise it just doesn’t work and so I am just screening for women who should be relatively clean…

    Doesn’t sound like best practice. Also have you tried female condoms? They’re way better in lots of aspects. BD has an article on them somewhere.

    Haven’t tried but it might, if the lube stuff doesnt work. Part of the thing for me is that I get excited at the idea of feeling her liquids and cumming inside her. With any type of condom that stuff is obviously absent so a big part of the excitement is gone. So I have to be super attracted to her (like at least 9/10) AND she must not be so new anymore so that the slight subconscious nervousness is not there. For this I’d probably need hypnosis, didnt get to that point yet but might try that. It feels a little overboard to have hypnosis therapy so that I can fuck with condoms, but I do get that its good to be safe, but this stuff is there on both sides – there are women who don’t like to fuck with condoms also because they get alergy from it (at least that isnt my problem because then it would really not be an option).

  46. Also me. Fuc***** hate condoms

    Try Sagami Original 0.02 condoms, you’ll never look back.

    “Sagami Original 0.02 Condom was once the world’s thinnest condom before Sagami Original 0.01 came to the market. This thinness has been realized by using polyurethane instead of latex (rubber).”

  47. Try Sagami Original 0.02 condoms, you’ll never look back.

    “Sagami Original 0.02 Condom was once the world’s thinnest condom before Sagami Original 0.01 came to the market. This thinness has been realized by using polyurethane instead of latex (rubber).”

    I find that usually the thin ones break easily and also tend to be uncomfortably small.

  48. Isn’t this the definition of game? I think you are overthinking this. It’s not trickery, Its not forcing yourself in a girl that doesn’t want sex. Some of the wildest sex I ever had happened with girls that I had to work very hard to get to bed. Not everytime it clicks perfectly. You’re misenterpreting the whole thing.

    No I understand what you’re talking about.  My buddy does the same thing..  He’s easily fucked into the hundreds.  His strategy for logistics is to drink too much, and tell them “I can’t drive beautiful and I drive for a living, I don’t want to lose my job can I sleep on your couch?”.. Then they’re making out, then it’s “hey can we cuddle for a bit, I promise I go back to the couch I just need to lay with you for a minute..  etc etc….”  Never fails almost always gets first date fucks..  And of course I’ve done that but it just doesn’t do it for me.  I want a woman to be just about ripping my clothes off, using me as human scratching post.. Not sure what that’s called..  Thrill of the hunt with a fetish for ultra female attraction.  I want them dripping and about to cum before I slide my finger in…  And if they’re not it’s my fault but it rarely fails… But it takes time (venue changes first date 3 hours before you even fuck them) and I usually keep them around for a bit after so..

    So, I respect that game (shouldn’t have implied I didn’t) and it produces crazy high numbers but it isn’t for me.

  49. It feels a little overboard to have hypnosis therapy so that I can fuck with condoms

    It took me 4.5 years with  my VYW to get used to condoms. She was smart to be careful.

    Condoms are a major enabler of the Alpha 2.0 lifestyle, so whatever it takes to get used to them is probably a good idea…..the dangers, outside of conception, for raw dogging are somewhat, but not totally, overstated. Condoms are the great excuse of the manwhore.

    I want a woman to be just about ripping my clothes off, using me as human scratching post.. Not sure what that’s called..

    This 100%. I’ve been lifting and otherwise working out like a madman for this reason. I am after raw female sexuality.

    Soon after my VYW unicorn left, I met a woman in a bar who waved every red flag possible in my face. In a relationship where she’s scared to leave, had been in major car accidents with resulting struggles with opioids, problems with work, everything. She pressed her number on me as we parted and I lost it as soon as I got home.

    I didn’t have the language at the time, but she was certainly looking to branch swing to some higher quality beta bucks. I found the manosphere soon after, although I wish I would have stuck with BD and GLL….I hate anger like

    Never date single moms either, those bitches deserve to die of loneliness.

    and I truly became a Blackdragon devotee when I read what he has to say about loving women.

    Life is too short for hate, pity fucks and starfish sex. Under the barbell I go.

     

  50. If you’re alpha enough with them already, then logistics won’t matter too much if you are both in the same car.  The car is all you need.  In my experience the car is not even comfortable or sexy, but there’s a risk of getting caught, it’s almost public sex, and if you play it like you both are too horny and just have to fuck right here right now, then it works.  Not all women will go for it, but many will, and I’ve found that starting out like this makes them tend toward being freaky the rest of the relationship.  Like they will love to whip your cock out while you drive and blow you and constantly want to push the limits on having sex in public and stuff like that.  I’ve had to actually tell them “no” on certain things that may have got us arrested, but it is often very exciting.

  51. would you like to come over tomorrow night?

    Look women don’t work like men. Direct, logical — no.

    This also makes no sense. A woman is more likely to fuck “right now” then agree to “fuck” tomorrow, openly. So why wait until tomorrow if she’s going to say it outright?

    Look, it’s part of the game. Every woman I’ve ever banged knew EXACTLY what “come upstairs to see my Beatles album/ play Donkey Kong” meant. Every. Single. One. Even the virgins.

    So why do they need the fake laughable excuse, and not me grinning and say “fucky fucky time?”

    I would guess it’s so they can tell their friends, or themselves, or their first date story to whoever (fictitious grandchildren) and not seem like a “slut” – to their friends, or themselves, who knows. A conversation that never happens. OR possibly it’s so that they don’t seem thirsty/ overeager/ giving their power away to you. They just need the flimsiest excuse. Maybe pretend like “they can’t come up” one feeble time before skipping gleefully upstairs, ready to be rammed.

    To basically state how ridiculous or illogical it is, is man thinking. You are not banging men, you are banging women. Play the game. And again, 100% of women know what “the aquarium” or “chai tea” at my place means. It means we’re fucking. (there are some rare women who actually ARE oblivious to these connotations, but I’ve never met them, thankfully. I imagine it’s young, massively inexperienced, naive women).

  52. (there are some rare women who actually ARE oblivious to these connotations, but I’ve never met them, thankfully. I imagine it’s young, massively inexperienced, naive women).

    Ive been meeting several recently. I think they were just used to to ultra beta guys. That and I may have been too indirect on first dates, but that is something that can be corrected.

  53.  if you’ve done your job and increased a woman’s attraction for you to the point where she can’t help herself..  she’ll fuck you no matter how bad her period is..

    Exactly, period will only come into play if she is not really into sex in the first place, although I suspect it elevates the girls ASD as they get kind of afraid they will open their legs and the dude will be “eww blood”. Every complains about dudes that wouldn’t do it during their periods (and ironically every girl avoid doing it during their periods late in a relationship when they want an excuse to avoid sex overall)

    I know all that and this is true. This happens a lot to me on the 2nd date, and I still fuck her. But I still would rather have a system to completely avoid ever to hang with any women when they are on their periods. Sex is just more enjoyable for me without the blood. Even the first time we have sex.

  54. off topic

    I did a first date today. After a while I tell her: you really don’t look like on your pictures are you sure it’s your pictures on your account? She finally admits it’s not her account. So I get freaked out and I look again the profile. I say:

    “Are you really 26? I think you’re not even 18” (I was bluffing, I just saw she looks less than 26, but for me she could well have been 20)

    She says she is “20 plus”, which really spikes my paranoia.

    I remain calm and we part ways after a few minutes.

    Later by message I get the confession that she is 16 years old! Which technically could have put me against the law if I decided to proceed to a 2nd date at my place and fuck her. Because yes, she wanted it.

    What scares me is that if she had used her own profile, with her own pictures and just wrote she is 18, I would never had suspected anything and according to the law I would probably have  committed statutory rape, with her consent but the law here doesn’t care, it’s considered statutory rape! And I wouldn’t have realized it.

  55. I want a woman to be just about ripping my clothes off, using me as human scratching post.. Not sure what that’s called..  Thrill of the hunt with a fetish for ultra female attraction.  I want them dripping and about to cum before I slide my finger in…

    Again, having to work for a lay and having her crazy horny are different things. Sometimes the hardest girls to crack are also the wildest sexual beasts. Happened to me a few times at least (And it is kind of shockingly satisfactory when you finally press the right button and turn the apparent prude into a freak)

    So why do they need the fake laughable excuse

    They want you to respect her as more than a piece of meat I guess. Rollo probably wrote long essays about the  primitive psychological response behind it.

    But I still would rather have a system to completely avoid ever to hang with any women when they are on their periods.

    idk, sarge in a lamaze class maybe? lol

  56. Again, having to work for a lay and having her crazy horny are different things. Sometimes the hardest girls to crack are also the wildest sexual beast

    I don’t work for “lays”.. I work for attraction.  To turn them on.  Not horny.  Can’t rely upon that.  A horny woman could just as well go fuck someone else later instead of you.  No they have to be crazy attracted to me and want only my dick at that moment so bad they can’t see straight..  How hard do you think is to slide your hand down the back of that woman’s pants and feel her pussy spasming and clamping down on your finger as she strokes your dick?  Not very.  Haven’t had to work for a lay in a while..

    We are probably never going to agree on this but that’s fine. There is not wrong way if you’re getting lay’d

  57. Any articles BD on dealing with sexual insecurity? A few times, not many, I’ve had trouble performing with her because of it.

    http://blackdragonblog.com/2017/06/19/deal-erectile-dysfunction/

    Okay, that makes sense.

    I haven’t watched porn in over a decade. It’s probably just anxiety. And since I already do see a therapist, I guess I’ll just bring this issue up as well.

    I notice that you say you struggle with your weight and bodyfat. I’m pretty into bodybuilding, so I’m familiar with cutting fat (and just fat) and retaining muscle and doing it in a pretty linear fashion (pretty much winter bulk – spring cut from 15%-7/8% bf).

    Have you tried taking proviron with your TRT?

    It really enhances the effects and frees up more test.

    I’ll assume you already did macros/calorie counting/HIIT cardio/blah blah blah.

    And have you considered DNP?

    That is guaranteed to destroy fat…sometimes as much as 1 lb/day.

    And yes, you will hear horror stories about DNP, but if you’re all about the 1-2% rule, they shouldn’t bother you. It was actually at one point recommended as a viable treatment for obesity/overweight.

     

  58. Whatever dude. Turned on not horny lol. Lays/whatever you call having sex. Great semantics discussion….

    if you just want to think a girl wont be wet because she initially had a little of ASD it is your problem not mine. Had lame sex with dripping girls that couldn’t help but to sprint into my bed, had amazing sex with girls I had to game for hours, and also the other way around. Not correlated.  All I’m saying. But whatever works for you

  59. @John is it mostly Game? Do you have low bodyfat/lift heavy/run fast? Meat hanging nearly to your knees? How is it you make them so crazy attracted?

  60. What scares me is that if she had used her own profile, with her own pictures and just wrote she is 18, I would never had suspected anything and according to the law I would probably have  committed statutory rape, with her consent but the law here doesn’t care, it’s considered statutory rape! And I wouldn’t have realized it

    Thats what you get for living in insane fashist countries where such stuff could cause legal problems. In normal countries you just say you didn’t know and they leave it at that, not mention 16 is perfectly legal in most of the (normal) world.

    Of course, you do realize in such extreme crazy fashitst countries this is nothing compared to any other random arbitrary arest you are exposed to for things you dont realize every day, that should worry you way more.

    But I still would rather have a system to completely avoid ever to hang with any women when they are on their periods. Sex is just more enjoyable for me without the blood. Even the first time we have sex.

    I do have a system for this, as mentioned before, I get them to do other things. I always think of period = time to do those other things, because at least for me it those things are nice but not priority so I just do them when shes on a period. If shes using the period as an excuse you find out very fast this way also, so it just works.

  61. Pshh yea it’s most def on us.

    Case in Point, I’m living at my parents right now to get debt free/ new car. Total beta shit and totally my fault. Yes I live in CA, it’s expensive, but that shit is on me. 

    Caleb On a slightly off topic note: 

    I was just thinking how a lot of people think Polyamory/Non Monogamy is just about the the fucking.. YES it’s about being able to fuck other chicks and women being able to fuck other dudes. BUT it is really about so much more.. like Honesty, Personal Freedom, having a Potential Relationship that can last longer in practice if done correctly, ETC.

    Because I think a lot of people come to our Blog and think were just a bunch of assholes who are solely trying to get the upper hand on women and only give a fuck about ourselves like many Incels, MRA winers, Alpha 1.0 Goons, ETC.. When in reality most of us here are very sex positive and very non controlling toward women. I was wondering if we can get an article about how much of a legit OLTR benefits women too. Caleb I’m wondering if we can get an article on this topic or if you can point me to one that possibly already exists?

    Thanks Dude.

  62. I was just thinking how a lot of people think Polyamory/Non Monogamy is just about the the fucking.. YES it’s about being able to fuck other chicks and women being able to fuck other dudes. BUT it is really about so much more.. like Honesty, Personal Freedom, having a Potential Relationship that can last longer in practice if done correctly, ETC.

    Because I think a lot of people come to our Blog and think were just a bunch of assholes who are solely trying to get the upper hand on women and only give a fuck about ourselves like many Incels, MRA winers, Alpha 1.0 Goons, ETC.. When in reality most of us here are very sex positive and very non controlling toward women. I was wondering if we can get an article about how much of a legit OLTR benefits women too. Caleb I’m wondering if we can get an article on this topic or if you can point me to one that possibly already exists?

    Nobody thinks that. If you come across people who think that youre explaining it wrong.

  63. @John is it mostly Game? Do you have low bodyfat/lift heavy/run fast? Meat hanging nearly to your knees? How is it you make them so crazy attracted?

    Ive had girls like this, from what I can tell it was mostly two things: 1) type of girl and 2) sex talk that gets her to reveal shes like this and excited for you. Some of these girls are like that only sometimes / temporarily until they lose theyre interest which is then complete.

    So I would say do sex talk and be lucky. There seemed to be no correlation with how fit I was at the time (this has changed over time), it was mostly what I said to her / did to her while we were together and her mood. Diff girls get turned on by diff physical attributes but the stuff that gets them crazy is mostly what you say to them or do to them after youve passed her minimum threshold where she considered you attractive. Getting fit just means more girls might have you over the threshold from what I understand.

  64. @John is it mostly Game? Do you have low bodyfat/lift heavy/run fast? Meat hanging nearly to your knees? How is it you make them so crazy attracted?

    As alpha said above..  You have to be as least as good looking as your photos..  Looks get you on the date..  It’s what you do after that matters..  I won’t lie..  I’m already an alpha male and hang out with alpha males.  grew up boxing, street fighting (yeah still do at 49 if I have to ), playing football, veteran, and etc..  Confidence, aggression, and not giving a fuck I didn’t have to learn.. That helps..  I stay in shape, dress perfectly (Like a fucking alpha male with class) when I go out with a woman.. Pick the perfect venue for my system, and then I seduce her..  I treat her like she’s a fine champagne and I’m about to uncork that shit and make her blow all over me.  I don’t do all that playing like I don’t care shit and worrying if she is attracted to me.  That’s for pussies.  I know she’s gonna be attracted to me. I treat her like she’s oxygen and I’m suffocating..  They blush, and act like little girls over again…  that’s what I do…  I act like a real fucking man who thinks he’s the shit, wants that pussy in my mouth more than I want to breath, and then I go make her cum in the parking lot..

    go watch a black, Italian, or Spanish guy with game some time.  Look how they dress and how they act.. You’ll get what I mean by turning women on.

  65. I do have a system for this, as mentioned before, I get them to do other things. I always think of period = time to do those other things, because at least for me it those things are nice but not priority so I just do them when shes on a period. If shes using the period as an excuse you find out very fast this way also, so it just works.

    That’s not what I am talking about. I want to completely avoid hanging with women on their periods. My problem is not how to have sex with women if they say they have their periods, this is a non issue for me and most of the time I fuck her anyways with the blood. I just would rather for instance have the knowledge of her cycle schedule before the second date to ensure that I schedule the second date outside of her periods time. I haven’t found a systemic way to talk about her cycle or get this information before the second date.

    After we have sex a first time generally talk about periods and get her dates. Accuracy of the dates is often poor but I get some rough idea of when to avoid scheduling her.

    And I have no interest in violating the rule of having sex everytime when I meet women (except first date) and only do “something else”. Unless you mean “something else” is heterosexual anal intercourse 😉 For me it’s still sex.

  66. BD, I feel you 100% because for some reason, I get the “first time having sex jitters” as well. Can’t explain it, must be nerves, but after that it’s not a problem.

    The year I got laid the most was when I had insanely good logistics. My apartment was 3 min away (downhill) from the local bar scene and my roommate lived on the second floor.

    I feel that after age 25 or so a man shouldn’t have a roommate. Living by yourself is awesome and I would be bummed if I had to go back to sharing my living space with someone. It can definitely kill the sexual vibe when you are in the middle of escalating and a third party comes in and throws a monkey wrench in your shit.

  67. @John @AlphaOmega thanks guys. Food for thought. I would have a solid physique if I was 26….but I’m 46. My forearms are as big as my upper arms from extra grip work and grappling. I am doubtless selling myself drastically short. That said, I’m a very smart good looking loser driving a small car to a small apartment (but I have my logistics nailed this is a great apartment right on a transit line). I probably just need to get online and go on a bunch of dates and see what the market has to say.

  68. @John is it mostly Game? Do you have low bodyfat/lift heavy/run fast? Meat hanging nearly to your knees? How is it you make them so crazy attracted?

     

    I am black, run really fast, lift heavy, lean, got the meat and play an instrument well. Therefore knowledgeable about culture and ideas that chicks seem to enjoy. My best years of my life was University Residence. That is the epitome of logistics.

    Worth $20,000  + a solid education in liberal arts which the girls love to connect with me on. Especially if they are well traveled. Self Investment pays-off a ton. That is what sets me apart from my fellow brothas. They didn’t goto University. I get the slim chicks.

    Buuuuut,

    It is all for garbage if you cannot get your logistics, place and Mission correct.

    Living Downtown or close to downtown is a shooting gallery only if I keep my logistics-mechanics right.

    http://blackdragonblog.com/2017/06/15/best-part-city-live-best-dating-effectiveness/

    BD is bang on about the Money making system he’s got you sold on. There are tons of guys I know who live on the strip and are completely gameless and dating way below their payscale. Yet have the world to play with. Also there are guys with game who cannot afford to live near the action. That’s a goal every man should strive for.

    Self Esteem in the city is a maxim. Walk with authority down the streets at all times. I don’t need to explain the benefits.

    Always appear to be occupied with things that interest you. I always consider myself the bait and the woman the fisherman. Women are so frustrated with gameless guys that bombard their emails. Being normal and passionate goes a far way.

    go watch a black, Italian, or Spanish guy with game some time.  Look how they dress and how they act.. You’ll get what I mean by turning women on.

    Being a fit and educated black, it’s a hit. Game is game though. I know how to treat the ladies right if the ladies want to be treated right. I personally get higher tier chicks always have by infinitely improving on myself. I do not put women on Ice. Yet, my guitars, drums and business sit shotgun.

    If you were to see me in the gym. You would see the right girls start eventually to orbit. Any guy who is willing to put in the work can do this. That’s the effect you want. That’s how you ignite attraction. Be the center of your own universe. Have a domain aka Location where you excel from all the other guys.
    Mine is the gym and the streets.

    I never let girls interrupt my training. I play the long-term game by not chasing women. But I do make sure I lock eyes with them during. My effort and actions speak for themselves. You would be surprised how women try to time your workout to yours.. So they can ask you questions.. Or get you to talk to them.. It’s actually quite amazing. You meet them at the dressing room exits. The stray water fountain. But, there is a caveat. I may be so dialed in that I miss the chicks that do want me to talk to them. But, the pros out weigh the cons.

    They give you eyes at the right moment you’re working on your hardest set.

    You do this by Focusing on your workout every week and becoming a mainstay at the gym. Not some guy who is there to pick up girls. You are actually there to better yourself. This goes for any type of venue where there are hungry women around. In my experience, the rejection comes from the girls that see themselves out of your league. Perception is reality.

    Any place, I make sure I’m the most sociable one there with the employees(barista, bartender, etc).

    I stay away from Men of any kind outside of business. Men seem to biggest cockblockers of them all. Jealousy is real.

    TLDR: Fulfill your mission. The chicks will come.

     

     

     

  69.  

    I am black, run really fast, lift heavy, lean, got the meat and play an instrument well. Therefore knowledgeable about culture and ideas that chicks seem to enjoy.

    I like your style, and just about everything you said up there.

    It has been fun entering the brotherhood, pun completely intended, of men who are owning their shit. It’s been an uphill climb and totally worth it.

  70. @John @AlphaOmega thanks guys. Food for thought. I would have a solid physique if I was 26….but I’m 46. My forearms are as big as my upper arms from extra grip work and grappling. I am doubtless selling myself drastically short. That said, I’m a very smart good looking loser driving a small car to a small apartment (but I have my logistics nailed this is a great apartment right on a transit line). I probably just need to get online and go on a bunch of dates and see what the market has to say.

    I’ve banged chicks when I was not in shape, and am currently not and I got a couple of them going crazy for me right now. It was all done with the stuff I told them. Stop making excuses and start pitching dates.

    @AlphaOmega

    I disagree.

    An OLTR Benifits a chick as much as it Benifits us I think.

    You disagree with what? I have no idea because you didn’t post the exact sentence. I have even more of no idea since I did not say anything about OTLR benefits for a chick. Maybe you’re replying to someone else? Either way, pasting what you disagree with helps.

  71. @BD and others who may help

    My place is absolutely not an option to bring women in the 2nd date since there is another adult and kids. (please don’t tell I should find a way to bring to my place) this is a huge logistical issue. I’m just starting to meet new women.

    So, I think I should arrange some kind of hotel room for logistics. Can you suggest any cheaper way or better alternatives? Since it will not be that often at least now renting a place is not worth it. if hotels, can you suggest any cost effective hotel name?

  72. I’m a very smart good looking loser driving a small car to a small apartment

    You’ll be just fine..  you’ll kill it..  don’t worry about the car…  I had a car I had to crawl out of the passenger side of because the driver side didn’t work..  they’d just say it was cute and offer me money..  all women I fuck come see me…  they drive me around town..  especially women in their 40’s..  I’ve had women offer me thousands of dollars for car repairs..  I make six figures but  I’m a cheap motherfucker..  I finally gave in and bought a German sports car last month..

    With everything you have you’ll be fine..  after about 5-10 chicks you get it down..   I have this chick that will come over and just lay there next to me and just rub my dick while I watch sports..  her eyes will be rolled back into the back of her head she loves it so much..  I have girls I talk to for 5 mins, that I’d pulled their numbers stalking me (emailing me at work when I never gave them my email), texting me.. I haven’t even been out with them or fucked then yet…  trust me from your description yoire better looking then me….you’re going to feel like a piece of meat..  you’re going to have no problem…  as long as your attitude and frame match your looks..  Read every article by BD on the subject over and over..   then throw in a little Latin lover..  I watched My Mediterranean buddy work women…  copied some of his game…  best way to fuck women on the first date…

  73. My place is absolutely not an option to bring women in the 2nd date since there is another adult and kids. (please don’t tell I should find a way to bring to my place)

    Why shouldn’t I tell you that? Now you’re just pussing out and making excuses. YES, one of your many options is to coordinate with that adult to have him/her give you one or two nights a week (prescheduled of course) alone in the house.

    Statements like “please don’t tell me to…” are proof positive of an unwillingness to really solve your problems in life and look around for some magic solution. It’s a terrible attitude to have. Food for thought dude.

    So, I think I should arrange some kind of hotel room for logistics. Can you suggest any cheaper way or better alternatives? Since it will not be that often at least now renting a place is not worth it. if hotels, can you suggest any cost effective hotel name?

    Options:

    1. Coordinate with that other person you live with.

    2. Cheap chain hotels.

    3. Your car.

    4. Rent an office for $200-$300 a month like I do.

    5. Coordinate with a friend or family member to use their place once/twice a week.

    Lastly, read Excuse #24 here.

  74. @AlphaOmega

    You’re right I should have copy/pasted it.
    I was just thinking how a lot of people think Polyamory/Non Monogamy is just about the the fucking.. YES it’s about being able to fuck other chicks and women being able to fuck other dudes. BUT it is really about so much more.. like Honesty, Personal Freedom, having a Potential Relationship that can last longer in practice if done correctly, ETC.
    Because I think a lot of people come to our Blog and think were just a bunch of assholes who are solely trying to get the upper hand on women and only give a fuck about ourselves like many Incels, MRA winers, Alpha 1.0 Goons, ETC.. When in reality most of us here are very sex positive and very non controlling toward women. I was wondering if we can get an article about how much of a legit OLTR benefits women too. Caleb I’m wondering if we can get an article on this topic or if you can point me to one that possibly already exists?

    Nobody thinks that. If you come across people who think that youre explaining it wrong.

    @AlphaOmega

    And by the way this isn’t me attacking you or anything, I’m just clarifying.

    What I’m saying is that making a case for how an OLTR benefits women helps us too.

    Most of us this blog as Alpha 2.0’s are not Feminists or anything but when we can show how our agenda isn’t solely Self Serving it makes our case all the more convincing.

  75. Gang wrote:

    How long does the activity takes, between the instant you greet her on the 2nd date to the instant you start having sex? (I mean there that your penis enters either her mouth, vagina or anus, the things before, such as fingering or handjob, we will consider sexual escalation but not yet sex, for the sake of simplifying this question)
    Also how long between the moment you enter your place (or hers) after the activity and have sex?
    I managed to get greet to sex down to 60 minutes with watching a short movie at my place during the 2nd date. I greet her at the shopping mall where we had our first date generally, which is 4 minutes walk from my place. Sometimes I did not even explicitly say at any time before or during that we were going to my place, I just talk with them while walking them to my place.
    What other activities do you plan besides walk/hike? Or is it always walk/hike?

    Gang,  if you are routinely getting to sex on the second date within 60 minutes, you don’t need my system.

    I had to adapt BDs 2 date model because I had several women come directly to my house very willingly on the second date, but then resist when I escalated.  These were aged late 40s and up, which probably was a factor.  I speculate that BDs 2 date model does not work as well with over 33s, which might partially explain his extreme reluctance to date them. But with my minor tweak to his system, it’s not nearly as difficult as he makes it seem.  I’d guess it adds an hour or two to the process.

    BTW, I don’t agree with some of the other guys who say “if she comes to your house, she’s DTF”.  Though you can SOMETIMES change their minds if you get them horny enough.

    I’ve always done a hike, preferably on the nature trails behind my house, which are very pretty, and we almost always have them to ourselves.  Lots of opportunities to spike emotions due to the beauty of nature, and build comfort in isolation.

    As a fallback, there are more populated parks nearby – also part of my logistical plan if a woman is nervous about being alone with a man she barely knows.

    I’ve often wondered if just meeting at a bar first, or going window shopping at a local mall would work as well – it’s well known that location changes can speed up a seduction.  Maybe some of the other guys can experiment, and report back.

    You say you always meet at the mall on the 2nd date, and walk to your place.  That has probably helped you as well.

  76. Do you have advice on how to go about:

    4. Rent an office for $200-$300 a month like I do.

    ?

    In the Seattle area (even well outside the city) I’m not sure I’ve seen anything in $200-$300 price range.

  77. In the Seattle area (even well outside the city) I’m not sure I’ve seen anything in $200-$300 price range.

    Use sites like loopnet.com.

    And I’m sure if I put a gun to your head you could find a small office in shitty suburb somewhere “well outside” Seattle for that price range.

  78. I find if you’re laying chicks right they will fly across the Atlantic to get it. It’s so rare.

    Logistics is relative to your performance. You could have a Manhattan penthouse and be a slob in the sack. Also, you could live in the boonies and lay it down.

    Chicks really do come to this realization that the best lays are not from Stock Brokers or Hot Shot Lawyers… They are too busy running a practice or figuring out EBITDA…

    BD’s Six Figure Indie Consultant thing is right if you can beat out all the other wannabes with actual results for your clients. It’s worth the effort to be the best in show. So you can get laid and paid on your terms.
     

  79. Black Dragon:  If you try to bounce a woman to a hotel during the first time you’re sleeping with them won’t ASD kick in?

  80. If you try to bounce a woman to a hotel during the first time you’re sleeping with them won’t ASD kick in?

     
    Not necessarily but a lot depends on how you escalate and how much the girl is into you.
     
     
     
    If you’re staying at a hotel then I’d let the girl know while setting up the date i.e. “So I thought we’d go to this great bar, which I saw on the way to my hotel. See you at 7pm!”
     
    That way she’s aware that you’re staying in a hotel and not at your own place. This negates any doubts that may arise when you suggest going back to your place and you starting walking into a hotel lobby.
     
     
     
    If the hotel has a decent bar, then you could suggest grabbing a quick drink there and then after escalating say you need to charge your phone or show her that stuff on your laptop or whatever!?..
     
     
     
    Of course if she’s been giving you massive ioi’s and you’re pretty sure that she’s be happy to bang you in Starbucks at 10.00am, then skip the above and just pull her back to your room!
     
     
     
    I’ve had girls on my lap, grinding into me in a bar and then at the first site of a hotel, they turn cold and say no. Equally I’ve had ‘ok’ dates and when I’ve thought “Well, I ask her back but she won’t come to my hotel”, they’ve just come back, with no problems!
     
     
     
    This is why I only use AirBnb when travelling now.
     
    Yes, you still get ASD at times but I think the fact that there’s no ‘spotlight effect’ of hotel reception, other guests, security etc.. makes it a better option, plus you can customise the room for maximum benefits.
     

  81. I find if you’re laying chicks right they will fly across the Atlantic to get it. It’s so rare.

    Or even the Pacific. I live in Brazil and one chick came all the way from Tokyo to have one more taste of my dick. Good times. I was quite impressed. Few times I’ve seen a drenched pussy like that one.

    That was a 35 hour flight. 11,000 miles. I kept thinking of the old red pill saying that chicks, when attracted enough, will jump over fences and crawl under barbwire to get the guy they want

  82. BTW, I don’t agree with some of the other guys who say “if she comes to your house, she’s DTF”.  Though you can SOMETIMES change their minds if you get them horny enough.

    Yeah because they’re wrong..  Women over 33 will sometimes do what I call a “restart” when they come to your place..  At least the experienced ones do. Sometimes it takes 2 times at one of your places..  Never seen it take more than that though..  Bot many have that kind of self control and that’s all it comes down to.. They want to fuck..

  83. @Black Dragon

    Has any woman you brought to your office been surprised or given you any push back against it? It is a little out side the norm so I would anticipate some surprise by them. How do you push past it?

  84. Black Dragon:  If you try to bounce a woman to a hotel during the first time you’re sleeping with them won’t ASD kick in?

    Yes. Hotel closes are more difficult and require a stronger level of game and frame. They’re doable (I’ve done them) but harder.

    Has any woman you brought to your office been surprised or given you any push back against it?

    Of course. It’s never been a deal-breaker though (at least so far) because A) I’m very experienced with this stuff and B) I’ve only met women who are much younger (under age 25) who have much less ASD and are less freaked out about this kind of thing than, say, a 35 year-old.

    It is a little out side the norm so I would anticipate some surprise by them. How do you push past it?

    I just shrug and tell them it’s no big deal. I also describe all the logistics I’ve put into the place to prevent problems (like no adjacent offices, no windows, a noise canceling machine, etc).

    I will describe this office in more detail later. I seem to get a lot of questions about it.

  85. Nobody thinks that. If you come across people who think that youre explaining it wrong.

    @AlphaOmega

    And by the way this isn’t me attacking you or anything, I’m just clarifying.

    What I’m saying is that making a case for how an OLTR benefits women helps us too.

    Most of us this blog as Alpha 2.0’s are not Feminists or anything but when we can show how our agenda isn’t solely Self Serving it makes our case all the more convincing.

    Yes, I know you were refering to that, but the question was which part exactly. Because it is still not clear to me what you’re saying/asking. I do not see the connection between what I am saying and what you are replying. If its just me maybe someone else can explain, otherwise I would ask you if you can clarify further.

    I kept thinking of the old red pill saying that chicks, when attracted enough, will jump over fences and crawl under barbwire to get the guy they want

    Haha, yes, I have one girl now who lives in another country and is booking flights to visit me to cheat on her bf with me. There are some unique circumstances, but still.

    I’ve only met women who are much younger (under age 25) who have much less ASD and are less freaked out about this kind of thing than, say, a 35 year-old.

    Its so ironic and funny. If anything it should be the other way around. Or at least thats what were led to believe by society right: young girls are innocent and freak out easily and older women are experienced and anything goes… then all those angry over 30 women are upset when the societal programming works against them and they wonder why all the best guys date young girls.

    BTW, I don’t agree with some of the other guys who say “if she comes to your house, she’s DTF”.  Though you can SOMETIMES change their minds if you get them horny enough.

    Yes, Ive had several who totally didn’t think / didnt want anything was gonna happen. I was first confused by this and then I realized over time that I live in an area where men are extreme beta so I realize I have to adjust to be way more direct on date 1 to avoid this. The rest would be taking theyre clothes of, sometimes within minutes.

  86. Be curious to know where that weird shit is coming from. But not to worry, all the more for me.

    The Tom Leykis Show and wherever he got it from. That show is a test for all men going through women trouble. He is very wrong on a lot of points. Funny but wrong.

    I kept thinking of the old red pill saying that chicks, when attracted enough, will jump over fences and crawl under barbwire to get the guy they want

    It’s the same concept for Marketing to Clients with bleeding necks. Getting laid and getting paid is the same thing.

  87. I just shrug and tell them it’s no big deal. I also describe all the logistics I’ve put into the place to prevent problems (like no adjacent offices, no windows, a noise canceling machine, etc).
    I will describe this office in more detail later. I seem to get a lot of questions about it.

    Taking new girls to an office with no windows and a noise cancelling machine? And they are cool? That’s why it is so easy to be a serial killer, chicks are crazy lol

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