Oh man. A lot of you emailed me this NY Times article written by a 30 year-old woman bitching about how men like to date younger women.

Instead of posting actual quotes from the article, I’m going to instead address the overall points it makes. If you feel I am not accurately representing the points it’s trying to make (and I will do my best to do so), then simply click the link above and read the article for yourself. It’s not very long.

Point #1 from the article. It’s not fair to women that the average man settles down 2.3 years (or more) after the average woman does. The average age of new mothers is 26, but the average age of new fathers is 31. Thus, it’s not fair that men get five more years of “play time” than women do.

My response. Please show me the person forcing these 26 year-old women at gunpoint to get pregnant and have babies. While you’re at it, please also show me the person forcing all these women to date, marry, and have kids with men who are older than them, rather than men their own age or men who are younger.

What is that, you say? No one is forcing them? Oh. Interesting. So what you’re saying is that women are choosing to have babies when they’re 26 and they’re choosing to date/marry/fuck/have kids with men who are older than them. Women are choosing these things… so why are you complaining? Via feminism, you wanted women to be able to choose their own life path. Great. You got it. Now they can. And now you’re complaining about what these women are doing? And worse, implying this is somehow not fair?

How can a thing be unfair if it’s something you are purposely choosing of your own free will? Any woman reading these words can wait until she’s 30 or 35 to have kids. Any woman can choose to have babies with a man her age instead of a man older than her. If women choose not to do this, that’s women’s fucking fault. There is nothing “unfair” about their personal choices.

Moreover, I have been screaming publicly for almost a decade that no one, man or woman, should even think about having kids in the modern era until he or she is at least 30 years old, preferably older. I think men should wait until at least 40. Not only will having children make you less happy, but having kids murders your big life goals for at least 15 years. Therefore, this is not something you want to do until most or all of your big life goals are already completed.

I realize most women are not going to take that advice (hell, most men don’t take that advice), but that doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

Point #2 from the article. It’s not fair for women when they settle down with an older man because then it’s more likely that she’ll have to take care of the man in old age.

My response. The real divorce rate in the Western world for people who get married now is around 70%, sweetheart, and the younger the person, the higher that number becomes. Younger women don’t stick around. That younger woman is going to be long gone from that guy before he even gets close to being old. Read this and this for more data on that.

Point #3 from the article. Women mature faster than men. This is possibly because men know they can settle down at a later age than women.

My response. Correct on both counts. Women do mature faster than men, and as Western men become more beta and child-like, this phenomenon has exacerbated in recent years, and will continue to get worse. I have written about this in great detail both here and here.

I don’t like this any more than you do (well, I do sort of like it because it creates less competition for me for younger, hotter women), but at least I’m not the cause of this problem like you are. The reasons for this childification of men are all due to left-wing social mores such as socialism, third wave feminism, man bashing, divorce rape, the welfare state, and increased size and role of government, all things that I have a very strong feeling you support, and that I have vehemently opposed my entire life.

Once again, like many women (and left-wingers) you’re bitching about a problem you, and people like you created. As I’ve been telling women for many years: you wanted this crap, now have fun dealing with the fallout.

Point #4 from the article. It upsets me that men I go on first dates with who are 30 years old like me have not given any thought to if or when they want kids, while this is a very important thing for me. It’s arrogant.

My response. Yeah. Read everything I just said above. It’s your fault.

Point #5 from the article. It’s arrogant because men think their sperm works just as well at age 30 as it does at age 40 or beyond, and science clearly shows this is not the case.

My response. Incorrect. Men are not thinking this. Men don’t even know about this or care. The few men who do know about this really stress about this a lot. Whenever I tell men to not have kids until you’re at least 40 and have accomplished your big goals, I always get irrational nitpickers who scream their heads off about “birth defects” and crap like that. I showed very clearly in my book that the odds of this actually occurring with older men fathering children is well below The 2% Rule.  

Yes, men’s fertility does decrease a little as men age, but men don’t know, don’t care, and with today’s science, it doesn’t matter anyway. A 55 year-old man shooting blanks who really wants to impregnate his young girlfriend or wife can very easily do so with procedures such as in vitro.

Point #6 from the article. Data from OKCupid shows that men prefer women age 20-22 no matter how old the men get, even all the way into their 50’s. By contrast, women of all ages tend to like men closer to their age. Men are arrogant because they think they could actually get a woman this young, and they can’t!

My response. That data shows what men are biologically attracted to, not what they think they can get. The vast majority of men in their 50’s who are slobbering over 22 year-old girls on dating sites and Instagram are beta males who know damn well they could never get a girl like that.

Those few older men who Alpha-up, clean up their appearance, and get some confidence and dating skills can easily date women that age and I know many who do. Shit, I wrote an entire book on how to do it. But those are the exceptions to the rule.

And I haven’t even talked about the entire sugar daddy craze that is leveling the playing field for a lot of these older beta males. Once you introduce money into the mix, many of those “hopeless old guys” can fuck women that young.

Point #7 from the article. I find George Clooney hot (he’s 26 years older than me) and Justin Bieber not (he’s seven years younger than me).

My response. Aaaaannnnd you just proved my entire point, and destroyed your own. Thanks for playing.

127 Comments on “More Irrational Bitching About the Age Gap in Dating

  1. LOL… this ”woman” is drowing in her own intellectual mud.

    C’mon girl… the wall was broken. Ride the reality now. =D

    ps: soon they will pass law to force gap-age marriage…

  2. You know BD, I find it really weird that it’s never young, hot women complaining about men’s sexual proclivities.

  3. BD,

    This gal is basically telling Type 3 VYW — and some Type 2‘s for that matter — to go against what is hard-wired in their heads.  To fight against their natural urge to be turned on by much older men.  She sounds very bitter and I can’t see that attribute attracting a quality man of ANY age.

  4. Praxeology. You either believe people do what they want or you believe you know better and people should do what YOU want them to do. It’s basically the entire difference between being left or right wing in almost every subject.
    The funny thing is that people that think they should be taking care of everyone else’s life never want someone taking their life decisions for them. Go figure….

  5. Alpha 2.0 males should think about kids, as we all should, and then decide not to make any.

    There is no good personal reason to do so, never mind a good ethical reason, in a decaying world where happiness is at a premium. Poor little buggers.

    Certainly don’t do it to in order get, keep, or please a woman. That wouldn’t be alpha. And when should you tell her directly and definitively? Not before ‘the talk’ I’d say.

    Voluntary Human Extinction Movement

  6. If this was all reversed and say that men were the ones that usually required the lady to be monogamous.

    Then, let’s assume that men broke up w them over 80% of the time.

    And that we booted them around 2-4 years later.

    That all of our male friends and relatives did same thing. The women gave up their freedom to be exclusive w the man but know they are gonna be booted soon or later.

    What do you guys think women would do differently or say to this delima or require if this was the case?

    Every time I ask a chic this question, I never get a real answer. The last one flat out refused to answer it and said “I’m not gonna answer that question”. WTF lol. The one before that said I’d just keep trying and have faith. Ugh.

  7. BD, is there a way that Sideburns can be politely told to take a hike? I know he’s been allowed to argue his off-topic human extinction BS at length so far, but this is getting spammy, especially with that VHEM sticker in bold in every comment he makes. I don’t see a difference between that and a guy regularly telling us to convert to Mormonism, on a blog about male self-improvement.

  8. This lady sounds really bitter, frustrated, and a bit crazy. I find it funny how by the end of the article she herself admits to being attracted to older men but is willing to fight her own biology just so she doesn’t die alone (and gets back at us, men, for being such awful youth-craving-programmed bastards), and goes as far as launching some kind of sister-hood movement. Talk about ridiculous…

    I find it really weird that it’s never young, hot women complaining about men’s sexual proclivities.

    This woman is only 30 and judging by her pics in Google search, she is cute.

  9. @Gil Galad:

    At least you can recognise and ignore my posts easier!

    I’ll gladly remove the sticker if it’s against the rules or seriously damaging the blog…Can you comment please, BD?

    ‘Off topic’? Kids was mentioned several times as a key sticking point. I never bring this up unless there’s a clear link or segue. Or at least if the ‘state of the world’ is mentioned in articles, along with possible solutions. And I always try and add the self-improvement element. Mormonism on the other hand ain’t very Alpha 2.0 is it?

  10. I find it funny how by the end of the article she herself admits to being attracted to older men but is willing to fight her own biology

    Because these people are laboring under the delusion that it’s not biology, but “sociology”, “culture”, “patriarchy”, etc. They’ve been brainwashed to believe they’ve been brainwashed. They think that absent cultural conditioning, the world is “fair”, and that in a state of nature people would be behaving “normally”, ie like they want.

  11. @Sideburns
    Kids are great. I’m extremely glad I had mine! The world today is a lot better than pretty much any time in human history. It’s an awesome time to be alive…especially if you are Alpha 2.
    Why wouldn’t you want help a Son be Alpha 2 and reap the rewards of this amazing potential. Even my girls are loving the understand of Social programming and all the bullshit that goes with it and being able to live amazing lives freed from it.
    You definitely shouldn’t breed though!!! Good idea!!
    This is such a fun topic. As someone about to turn 50 with a 21 yo OLTR this is my daily life. Its never ending dirty looks and judgmental attitudes from most women anywhere from 18 to 75.
    As usual guys who have some balls are working out how to do it and getting after what they want and women (and beta males) are complaining about why the world isn’t they way they think it should be.
    The good thing is that no one cares what a writer in the NTY’s thinks (or any other media for that matter). Especially hot VYW who are attracted to older guys!! 😀 😀

  12. @ Marty:

    What if your kids fail at this and suffer? Or their kids? You will suffer with them. Why take that extra chance on YOUR fun and happiness, when you don’t need to?

    Just using cold hard logic here…perhaps for younger men’s benefit rather than yours…

  13. There is no good personal reason to do so, never mind a good ethical reason, in a decaying world where happiness is at a premium. Poor little buggers.

    I agree, starting a family is one of the most selfish decisions a person can make. But SP has told us that it is one of the least selfish decisions a person can make and that’s why we have so many starving kids and teenagers who off themselves without a second thought. Good job, parents.

    However I do agree with Gil, that “voluntary human extinction movement” signature of sorts of makes you look like you want to just cut others with your edge, sideburns.

    As far as BD’s response to this article goes, chicks are natural born hypocrites, that’s just how they are. Its those who are self aware of it who are the ones you want in your life.

    For example, nearly every chick I know dislikes Tantrum Trump but I know that if any of them met him in person they wouldn’t say a word and would be just as awestruck as anyone else.

    It takes brass, Alpha 2 balls to look at everything around you, just shrug, and keep doing you. Chicks, betas, and alpha 1s do not know how to do this.

  14. What if your kids fail at this and suffer? Or their kids? You will suffer with them. Why take that extra chance on YOUR fun and happiness, when you don’t need to?
     
    Just using cold hard logic here…perhaps for younger men’s benefit rather than yours…

    This is not logic. You are pessimistic in the EXTREME. I’m not sure if you drive a car or ever fly or how you function at all in the world full of SO many dangers!! Maybe you should get yourself a padded room to live in? 😀

  15. I’m not going to even read her bullshit article-it’s the same bitching and moaning all these 30+ women do about dating and it’s really tired.  As you stated, this is what they wanted, so deal with it.  Stop with the “where have all the good men gone???” crap.  You can’t have it all in life.  You make choices which can impede other options but as an adult you should be fully aware of that.

    If I choose to bang hookers exclusively, I’ll get easy sex but it costs me money and I won’t pair bond.  If I choose to work in a cubicle farm, I won’t have the freedom to come and go as I please and will always answer to a boss.  If I choose to have kids, I’ll have to put other big goals on hold.

    I as a fully formed adult understand the tradeoffs for these kinds of decisions-seems that women like her do not and much like a child, have no concept of accountability or responsibility for their actions and choices.

  16. @ Curtis

    That all of our male friends and relatives did same thing. The women gave up their freedom to be exclusive w the man but know they are gonna be booted soon or later.

    Hey, the article in question is crap (no doubt about that), but what you suggest as a hypothethical scenario is exactly what women have been doing for years now. Getting monogamous to men who exchange them later for new, younger ones. We do not seem to have much other choice – except staying celibate, cheating (very risky) or finding the rare Alpha 2.0.

  17. I read both articles and I don’t understand the woman’s article. I don’t understand why she is upset. Having children at twenty six and settling down at that time is a choice that the women are making. They could wait, or not have children, or not settle down just like she claims the men are doing. It is a choice. As far as the age difference, I think it a matter of a person’s preference. I am attracted to men of all ages; younger, my age range, and older. However, I am mostly attracted to older men. For me, it is because of their intelligence, wisdom, and life experience. I also find them physically extremely hot and sexy. Younger Women who settle down with older men have to accept that with that decision, they might have to take care of them as time goes on if the relationship goes on for a long time. However, that is who they chose to partner with and it is a likely possibility. They signed up for that possibility.

  18. You know BD, I find it really weird that it’s never young, hot women complaining about men’s sexual proclivities.

    Haha, yes. Isn’t that interesting?

    If this was all reversed and say that men were the ones that usually required the lady to be monogamous.

    Then, let’s assume that men broke up w them over 80% of the time.

    And that we booted them around 2-4 years later.

    That all of our male friends and relatives did same thing. The women gave up their freedom to be exclusive w the man but know they are gonna be booted soon or later.

    What do you guys think women would do differently or say to this delima or require if this was the case?

    Damn, another good point. You guys are on fire today!

    BD, is there a way that Sideburns can be politely told to take a hike?

    Weird, oddball, depressing opinions are allowed here (shit, just look at the comments in the celebrity harassment thread!), as long as people follow the rules and don’t derail conversations.

    I know he’s been allowed to argue his off-topic human extinction BS at length so far

    The topic of kids is not off-topic to this thread. Re-read the above article.

    If he keeps throwing around this topic where kids are not related at all, then I might do something, similar to how I dealt with the nihilists a few years ago here.

    This lady sounds really bitter, frustrated, and a bit crazy. I find it funny how by the end of the article she herself admits to being attracted to older men but is willing to fight her own biology

    The fact she falls into the category she’s bitching about is exactly why she’s so upset.

  19. @K

    No kidding.

    Just curious what % of the ladies do you think deep down inside actually believe us and know what we say they do is true but they can’t admit it.

    Sometimes is as if they want to admit I’m right (that they get bored of men or find excuses to leave them when it’s convenient) or that in their core they know I’m right but they can’t actually say it out loud or process it.

    Then it’s like they try to brainwash themselves they don’t do this lol. “I’m a loyal and trustworthy person Curtis”. I’m like I never said that. I said you will bore of me eventually.

    Anyways, what % do you guys think or know we are right in our Alpha 2 stance even when they shame us?

  20. This is what feminism and liberalism has become.  Not only removing largely imagined “systematic barriers of oppression” from politically favored groups.  But actually trying to control what groups disfavored on the political left can: say, think, and do.  Whether by unsuccessfully using social pressure [who cares what someone who hates you for who you fundamentally are thinks]; or using passing laws and using armed government agents to enforce personal compliance [think alimony, child support, sexual harassment laws, etc].  Unfortunately religious nuts on the right do the exact same thing!  That’s why refer to feminists and social conservatives as ‘The Evil Alliance’.

  21. @ Marty:

    Sheer positivity is no substitute for the maths, not for long anyway. Using BD’s 2% rule, what are the chances of all your kids and grandkids becoming Alpha 2.0s or really happy women (a rare thing indeed). I bet it’s way way less than 98%.

    If you think I am a nihilist, or a SP victim, or afraid of the 2% stuff, you’re barking up the wrong tree. I am already living the life, like you, and trying to maximise my happiness with practical steps. I have shared mine (yawn). Do share yours please (apart from positive thinking, yawn).

    A mainstream-media diet seems like a good start…

     

  22. I can’t believe one of the posters thought the woman that wrote the article was hot.

    He needs to get out more and raise his standards.

  23. Women are not altruistic and they lack of reason if you argue with them. Whenever I read an article like that, written by a woman, she ALWAYS contradicts herself and I don’t get how she doesn’t get it either

    I think the main problem that women have is that they don’t like the fact that nature turns things around. First it benefits women from the ages of 15 to 30 but then it benefits men above 30 and upwards. Women get everything handed when they are young and pretty, they sleep with the best looking guys, with alpha males, rich guys and they usually get good jobs as well due to their looks and youth. But once they hit the magical 30 it’s over. They get less attention from society and men.

    It’s funny cause many beta males/nice guys who couldn’t sleep with them in their 20s become more attractive in their 30s, either through money and career or because they matured and took the red pill. Obviously many of those guys are not going to be with women their age (except for sex), cause the game has changed to their advantage, so they will go for younger women. They want all the girls they couldn’t have in their youth. Many nice guys will however still get burned cause whether it’s the hot 23 year old party girl or the 30 year old “experienced” woman, they will probably become too Nice again and stuck in a non beneficial relatonship

  24. Your all, BD included, are poor chums that let dictate themselves by biology. We are humans, not lemmings. We made paradise from hell. The obvious course of action would be, of course: postpone or reverse the biological clock in ovaries, so that older women can still get healthy offspring. Newsflash, scientists pulled it off. https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg23130833-100-menopause-reversal-restores-periods-and-produces-fertile-eggs/ Let’s revive and revitalize Western Civilization. We are the world’s Light. Let’s not go gently into that good night.

  25. Zero sympathy. Zero. I pity these women and their delusional attitude towards the dating market. As a man in my mid thirties, single and no kids, I’m literally living the dream. And what’s ridiculously hilarious, is that the minute I show an ounce of flirting toward women like the author, they melt like butter.

  26. Your all, BD included, are poor chums that let dictate themselves by biology.

    I can certainly see your biology in your grammatical errors.

    And if I was dictated by my biology, I wouldn’t be here typing this; I’d be eating cheeseburgers and masturbating right now, and all day long.

    Let’s revive and revitalize Western Civilization.

    You can’t; it’s mathematically impossible at this point, as I’ve demonstrated many times at my blogs.

    We are the world’s Light. Let’s not go gently into that good night.

    Ignore the dying light of the West which cannot be saved, and create your own light. That’s what I did. It’s a very good life.

  27. Thus, it’s not fair that men get five more years of “play time” than women do.

    Ok, sure – Mother Nature is a bitch. And?

  28. A typical American woman. Always bitchin’ and complaining about something and becoming more and more bitter and delusional as they age. What she’s really mad about is the fact that she can’t manipulate mother nature.

    Here’s what she’s really angry and bitter about.

    #1. Men age like wine; Women age like milk.

    Her SMV has decreased. Which means she can’t can’t compete with the 20 year olds. She mentioned several times how she can’t party like she used to. Getting out of the shower and noticing the aging process taking place. The hard reality, which she can no longer live in denial of is, you can’t beat mother nature.

    #2. The Wall

    She’s now 30 and her SP is kicking her ass, 24/7. Not only is she feeling mental, emotional and social pressure, she’s also feeling biological pressure (the ticking clock is getting louder and louder) and the fact that every time she looks in the mirror, she can see The Wall fast approaching.

    #3. Women grow old but NEVER grow up.

    I disagree with many in regards to women being more mature than men. Please tell me who is more mature? The person who avoids accountability and responsibility for their actions and behavior or the person who accepts it.

    She is doing here what the vast majority of women always do. Women always play the BBC game. The Bitch, Blame and Complain Game. They take no responsibility or accountability for their thoughts, feelings, and behavior in life.

    Unlike Men, rather they like it or not, have to take responsibility for their actions, thus maturing them faster than women. Disagree, fine… but I challenge you to observe your own life experiences. Take notice, when a woman has a problem (that she created), what is her M.O.?

    Always exploit others (mostly men) to solve them.

    Last quick point… the only reason why women are more attracted to older men is because, older men have more resources for them to extract, exploit or extort. Women wake up every day, 24/7, 365 looking for what man can I manipulate and get support and resources (attention, time, money, gifts, favors, etc) from.

    Women are not more mature than men. Women are more like adult-children. Not having the ability or capability of being responsible and accountable for your own shit or solving your own problems is the height of immaturity and childishness.

  29. And if I was dictated by my biology, I wouldn’t be here typing this; I’d be eating cheeseburgers and masturbating right now, and all day long.

    I was not referring to your personal biological disposition (doing this would be brainless and needlessly insulting), I was referring to your fatalism regarding biological facts. Chemistry and especially physics are more fundamental than biology. Biology can be tinkered with.

    You can’t; it’s mathematically impossible at this point, as I’ve demonstrated many times at my blogs.

    You can’t, according to your axioms which are erroneous. The bedrock of western civilization is not demographics, although the importance of demographics cannot be overstated. Neither is the bedrock of Western civilization the existing institutional framework. The bedrock consists of the founding ideas behind it, of which the most important ones are rationality, optimism and freedom of expression. The cause of the current rot in Western civilization is cultural relativism and the disappearance of individual responsability, integrity and accountability. When an elite group will free themselves from the shackles of this dying corpse and rebuild, free from parasites and being responsible, integer and accountable, the exponential growth function applies. Society like we know it will collapse. The elite group will thrive and give birth to a new, vibrant society.

    Ignore the dying light of the West which cannot be saved, and create your own light. That’s what I did. It’s a very good life.

    When you are referring to the lightless and lifeless Western institutions or those terminally Leftist challenged, you are right, absolutely. They are beyond repair and should be done with swiftly and ruthlessly. When you are referring to a small, determined and well-organized vanguard, inspired by the ideas which made the West to what it was in the eighteenth and nineteenth century, you are most definitely wrong.

  30. @ Le Penseur:
    Make women’s genitals even more fecund eh? Talk about turning paradise into hell!
    Lemmings mindlessly breed to excess then try and conquer new worlds to compensate. They overreach, and many die horribly. Sound familiar, historians?
    We are the world’s light pollution, so at least let’s party hard into that good night one final time. Better than making light of the inevitable collapse by, not just ignoring it, but adding to it with our outdated biology.

    I want to max my Alpha fun by spending resources on VYW rather than VYbrats. It should be top of the alpha to do list, not just an optional extra. That’s how we should create our own light. How is that weird, oddball, depressing?

  31. I was referring to your fatalism regarding biological facts.

    To which fatalism are you referring?

    Chemistry and especially physics are more fundamental than biology. Biology can be tinkered with.

    I know. I’m on TRT. You’re preaching to the choir here.

    I think what you’re saying, without actually saying it because you know how insane it would sound, is that somehow we can tinker our chemistry to make long-term monogamy work. If that is not what you’re saying, then please be very specific about what you’re proposing about biology instead of beating around the bush.

    The cause of the current rot in Western civilization is cultural relativism and the disappearance of individual responsability, integrity and accountability. When an elite group will free themselves from the shackles of this dying corpse and rebuild, free from parasites and being responsible, integer and accountable, the exponential growth function applies. Society like we know it will collapse. The elite group will thrive and give birth to a new, vibrant society.

    Ok, now we agree, but you weren’t being clear earlier. You’re not talking about saving Western civ which is fucked, you’re talking about creating a “new” Western civ after the current one collapses. I completely agree that’s possible, perhaps even likely. I even have a future blog post series at my other blog planned about exactly that.

    That will be in a very long time though; many decades at the very least. I will be a very old man by the time this new civ starts to take form in any meaningful way, if at all (since China will run everything at that time).

  32. Sheer positivity is no substitute for the maths, not for long anyway. Using BD’s 2% rule, what are the chances of all your kids and grandkids becoming Alpha 2.0s or really happy women (a rare thing indeed). I bet it’s way way less than 98%.
    If you think I am a nihilist, or a SP victim, or afraid of the 2% stuff, you’re barking up the wrong tree. I am already living the life, like you, and trying to maximise my happiness with practical steps. I have shared mine (yawn). Do share yours please (apart from positive thinking, yawn).
    A mainstream-media diet seems like a good start…

    I read this a few times and I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. The 2% rule is about random outliers that we shouldn’t worry about because its unlikely to happen.
    Helping my kids live happy lives by teaching them about Alpha 2 principles etc is a very controllable thing. Despite the bullshit going on in general society I think its a very high chance my kids will live happy lives. Just like we can if we do the right Alpha 2 type things. Both my daughters have read quite a bit of BD’s stuff that I have put them onto. Although its male orientated it helps them avoid SP, deal with other women as well as guys and life in general.

  33. you’re talking about creating a “new” Western civ after the current one collapses. I completely agree that’s possible, perhaps even likely. I even have a future blog post series at my other blog planned about exactly that.

    Sounds interesting. Looking forward to that series.

  34. If China will run everything in the near future, is it worth learning Mandarin now?

    Normally I would say yes, but by the time you learn it (which is EXTREMELY difficult for Westerners), they will have tech that will simply translate what you say on the fly with at least 90% accuracy using your phone or some other personal device (shit, they’re almost there now with things like Google Translate).

    (Broken China link above, BTW)

    Fixed.

  35. Thank you
    BD for posting that link to a very (unintentionally) funny article
    She is the scariest thing in the world a woman with baby fever!

    She has some good quotes
    “Where do 50 year old men get this strange impression that the could date a 23 year old?”

    “We are socialized into thinking that men are like wine they get better with time whereas women are like cheese ,they get blue veins and start to stink”

    In a couple of years she may write about how great it is to date an older guy and how she just did not know what she was talking about
    When that crashes and burns she will ready to embrace celibacy and being a crazy cat lady

    The other story arc is she writes about being a single mother with the sperm donor having vanished and no hope of a relationship anywhere on the horizon

    Predictable

  36. I showed very clearly in my book that the odds of this actually occurring with older men fathering children is well below The 2% Rule

    You should definitely write more about that. I have a hard time convincing my OLTR to delay having birth at least until I’m 35 (or maybe later, until all big goals are accomplished, as you said). I know you talked about minuscule birth defects and frozen sperm in the book, but more details would be good, there are some concerns:

    – Reliable scientific sources claiming ”paternal aging does not affect the risk of miscarriage and genetic anomalies in offspring” are rare.

    – Frozen sperm/eggs and in-vitro procedure are not cheap.

    – The rate of successful in-vitro fertilization is not always significant and every failure might be very traumatic to woman (which would bring a lot of drama I guess)

    – Most important of all: it can’t be done by us alone, our women have to fully cooperate, how?

    ….

     

  37. Ok, now we agree, but you weren’t being clear earlier. You’re not talking about saving Western civ which is fucked, you’re talking about creating a “new” Western civ after the current one collapses. I completely agree that’s possible, perhaps even likely. I even have a future blog post series at my other blog planned about exactly that.

    This reminds me of Atlas Shrugged and how the capitalist heroes make their own paradise. They had something like a perpetual motion machine to help them rebuild the world. What do we have?

  38. @ Blackdragon:
    Your logic:
    You blog about many articles and issues to say your favourite civilization is dying. But it’s futile to try and save it. You advocate focusing on internal solutions and leveraging the decline to benefit your constant happiness in your lifetime. You say child rearing reduces Alpha 2.0 happiness. For the same price as it cost to bring up just 2 children in your own image, you redpill thousands of men and women each day. You tell people to reject SP, and not to try please society, their parents, or partners. You teach men to set the frame and not do things to catch or please a woman, like promising their seed. You wouldn’t allow women to put monogamy on the table, because it’s highly risky and unnecessary. You can get women anyway, and do.

    Your illogic:
    You ignore the overwhelming risk of ecological meltdown in our children’s lifetimes. But you put utopian faith in masculine-sounding technological fixes such as medicine and robots (presumably also pollution control and space colonisation).
    You think it’s likely that a vanguard will revitalise (external solution) an old civilization that failed relatively quickly and left disaster in its wake. Even though the same vanguard is unable to stop the rise of other forces, (which must collapse within decades, despite their unstoppable strength now. Huh?).
    You advocate (or at least ignore) breeding, saying that it is compatible with Alpha 2.0 as long as certain variables are 90-98% controlled. Now people (outliers) here believe we (non-outliers) can control this even in our children’s children, and should be positive, and gamble our happiness on it.
    These fictional grandchildren will look into your eyes when you are a very old man who gave up on their dying society years ago. But it’s ok because 90% of them will be 90% happy despite global collapse, due to your failsafe teachings, investment, futuristic blogs, and old age charity work (external solution). Presumably they will all speak Mandarin, peacefully innovate, and be a Western vanguard, notwithstanding China’s dominance, unsustainable resource exploitation, and the global conflicts this will engender.
     
    Meanwhile you allow women (and men with Alpha 1.0 tendencies) to bring the sacred breeding cow to the table, leading to massive debate on your blog about ticking clocks, fertility treatments, child support. Which are weird and depressing issues we simply don’t need.

  39. Hah. Very fun to see that, to some women, even a 2.3 years age gap is too much. She’s rather cute, too bad we’re both too old for each other 🙂

    A fact that is often overlooked by women reaching age 30 and bitching about men dating younger women : all young women, even if they are themselves type 1s (and don’t date older men, ever) benefit from the fact that, for each young woman, there are 2 or 3 men of all ages trying to date her, meaning the market is skewed. Even a moderately attractive type 1 young woman can date an attractive man her age. And Ms. 7/10 thinks she’s an 8 or a 9. Then, years pass and market gets even (around age 30, I’d say), and she now wonders where all the “good men” are. Well, now you can only date people as attractive as you are, deal with it. And as time goes by, the market gets skewed the opposite way, and things get worse.

    Yeah, I know, no big news for most readers of this blog. But most other people don’t know this, and this is clearly what happened to this journalist. She has no problem dating men, and she’s pretty cute, so she can probably get more attractive guys than she could handle. But she has stellar requirements and is surprised she cannot find men matching those standards anymore. Sorry, but you’re not *that* hot.

    Ms 30-year-old-cutie thinks men are pigs ? Okay, but if men are pigs because they date younger women, young women are bitches because they date men that are on average more attractive than themselves.

  40. Its never ending dirty looks and judgmental attitudes from most women anywhere from 18 to 75.

    I had a smokeshow 20 years younger than me on my arm for 4.5 years…this was not my experience. I’ve said many times:

    Younger women had no problem with it.
    Put together younger men had no problem with it.
    Older women and weak males hated it.
    Old men fucking loved it, would shoot me grins and thumbs up!

  41. Not only removing largely imagined “systematic barriers of oppression” from politically favored groups.  But actually trying to control what groups disfavored on the political left can: say, think, and do.

    Yup. They want to remove the barriers of oppression by creating their own. A common end goal for any collectivist.

    Unfortunately religious nuts on the right do the exact same thing!  That’s why refer to feminists and social conservatives as ‘The Evil Alliance’.

    Yup they are out to do the same thing: Make sure that they and only they make ALL the rules. The progressives have borrowed their strategies from theocrats for quite a while now. You can tell from the language they use and the “we’re different from them, we’re trying to save the world!”

    “Saving the world” is a bigger addiction than any chemical or substance.

  42. https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56368235e4b00b97e623070f/t/58e96f66ebbd1a8c727df7d8/1491693546340/insight.png

    ^^^If that’s her I can understand her frustration^^^

    If you’re an average looking girl your dating life must suck once you turn 30 and have to compete with younger and hotter chicks LOL. My advice to her would be:

    1) fix that fucking hair…you’re not in wild africa damn it!

    2) get a gym pass, reset your diet and loose at least 5-6 pounds of that weird fat

    3) stop ranting about BS on the internet and get some good nights of sleep…you definitely need it, like for yesterday!

    4) fix yourself, get hotter and go bang those hot older chunks you so desperate love (but pretend you don’t care about)

  43. One other thing on younger women….I’m testing some pics on photofeeler for dating. I presented one to women under 34, being honest about my age. I had 16 “somewhat” 20 “yes” and 5 “very” responses to attractiveness for an overall rating 88% (against other 45 y/o’s, meh). I cropped it slightly, presented it to the same age group….but marked my age as 30. This time I had 10 “no” 14 “somewhat” 20 “yes” and 6 “very” responses for an overall rating of 76% (vs 30 y/o’s….holy smokes).

    I’m not fooling anyone. It’s not a particularly young pic, I’m relaxing on my couch with a cup of coffee with a map in the background. I run and lift, but don’t dye my hair, and wasn’t wearing anything particularly young. I was, however, arranged in a way that it would have been impossible to cover up being fat (we all know some women are very good at that in online dating pics, as are many guys).

    Couple observations: I’d bet anything that those 6 who responded “very” attractive on my 30 y/o pic and at least some of the “yeses” are hardcore Type 2‘s…..and all 10 of the “nos” were doubtless (in my mind) Type 1‘s. Also, the overall good rating is a sign that guys at 30 are already letting themselves go. I was ready for an ego hit when being compared to younger men, but I held my own.

    I really hate the social construct narrative, such as the one in the piece that prompted this post. It’s inevitable to be in this shape if you’re a teenager and participate at all in sports. It’s still pretty easy in college. After college, things get harder…evidently, by 30, it’s a chore. So being in solid shape at 45 is sending a clear evolutionary signal, just as clear as child bearing hips on a 23 y/o woman. It’s not seeing Liam Niesson with a much younger costar that is getting me those solid ratings, it’s the hour and a half of effort I put into my body on a daily basis…….and a looooooong history  & prehistory of women breeding with warlords.

  44. A 35 yr old woman I recently dated flipped the f*ck out when I told her I made out with a 19 yr old (I’m late 40’s and it was an open relationship where I didn’t hide my attraction to other women), breaking up and bombarding me for over a week with angry texts about how the “frontal cortex” and body of a “fragile” (haha) 19 yr old “child” is “not fully developed”, calling me “borderline pedophile” and “sexual predator”. This over a NINETEEN year old woman! This is how insane things can get. Be careful out there.

  45. The article you linked can filed under “bitching about unchangeable reality.”

    Might as well be bitching about the law of gravity or that atoms exist.

     

    The “Red Pill” version of this I usually see is bitching about how women “don’t put forth much effort online in conversation compared to men.” Well yeah. They get thousands of dudes hitting on them all the time; they don’t have to.

     

    The system is the system. The equilibrium of the collective desires and strategies of females and males trying to maximize their pleasure.

     

    I’ve dated women younger and older than me — but really, an older man to a point (particularly from age 20 to age 30) simply gains in sexual value typically. Through maturity, wisdom, resources, skills, charm, and I think just age itself. Women just like a man looking man more than a child looking man. So it’s no fucking shocker than men are a little older before pumping out kids. They peak later. Women have a sexual cornocopia at age 18-25. Some men have that younger or throughout life, but most it’s probably closer to 28-35 where at least physically it’s easiest to slay scores of women.

    This woman had her easy ride through her youth. Now she’s seeing a bit more “competition” and hurdles to sex that most men have been experiencing since day 1. And she’s pissed about it. Hey, you had your window. Now you need a few more tricks other than being a DNB who puts her tits on display. Might need to learn a skill or a personality, lol.

    But yeah. In pieces like this that “bitch about unchangeable reality” — it’s just venting that is senseless. Might as well yell at the moon for being so bright. I see her frustration but adapt or die, really.

  46. I know you talked about minuscule birth defects and frozen sperm in the book, but more details would be good, there are some concerns:

    – Reliable scientific sources claiming ”paternal aging does not affect the risk of miscarriage and genetic anomalies in offspring” are rare.

    – Frozen sperm/eggs and in-vitro procedure are not cheap.

    – The rate of successful in-vitro fertilization is not always significant and every failure might be very traumatic to woman (which would bring a lot of drama I guess)

    None of those things will convince a woman since they’re all logic, and logic doesn’t convince women of anything in relationships. Logical arguments would only work if you were dating a man.

    Most important of all: it can’t be done by us alone, our women have to fully cooperate, how?

    My answer is the same to all “how do I get her to do it?” questions: clearly state your preferences (not orders, not demands, but preferences), watch her closely as to what she does over time (not what she says, only what she does), downgrade or next her ass if she doesn’t do what you want, and go find someone who already wants what you want. Very simple.

    That question indicates you’re likely stuck in a monogamous / oneitis / scarcity frame of mind. I don’t “have women cooperate” with me on anything; that’s Alpha 1.0. I just date a bunch and pick the ones who already what what I want. Much easier. And more fun.

    This reminds me of Atlas Shrugged and how the capitalist heroes make their own paradise. They had something like a perpetual motion machine to help them rebuild the world. What do we have?

    Nothing, other than a template of what we know works reasonably well (The USA prior to 1913 and Hong Kong prior to to the 1990’s.)

    You ignore the overwhelming risk of ecological meltdown in our children’s lifetimes.

    I don’t ignore it; I’ve evaluated it closely and determined that any long-term ecological disaster will overwhelmingly likely be countered by a technological solution, as has happened many, many times in our past already. Read my comments here.

    Left-wing hand-wringing over the environment always conveniently leaves out the thing that keeps saving us: technological advancement.

    You think it’s likely that a vanguard will revitalise (external solution) an old civilization that failed relatively quickly and left disaster in its wake.

    Incorrect. I said perhaps likely. I have no idea. Nor care.

    And I mean that there may be some small-government nations that pop up after the collapse. I have no idea if there will be an actual civilization (Western civ 2.0) after the collapse. Who knows?

    You advocate (or at least ignore) breeding, saying that it is compatible with Alpha 2.0 as long as certain variables are 90-98% controlled.

    Advocate is too strong a word. It’s more accurate to say I allow for the contingency, since 90%+ eventually want to have kids and neither you nor I are going to stop them.

    When I advocate nonmonogamy, I’m going against SP but I’m going 100% in the direction of human biology, which is why I’m able to sway so many people. But you thinking posting on some blogs will get guys to never have kids, in an effort to save the world, is the height of insanity and outcome dependence. All SP and all of human biology is against you, therefore you will lose.

    Not that I think you care. You clearly enjoy ranting about this.

    These fictional grandchildren will look into your eyes when you are a very old man who gave up on their dying society years ago. But it’s ok because 90% of them will be 90% happy despite global collapse, due to your failsafe teachings, investment, futuristic blogs, and old age charity work (external solution).

    That is not my view and I’ve never said anything like this.

    Presumably they will all speak Mandarin, peacefully innovate, and be a Western vanguard, notwithstanding China’s dominance, unsustainable resource exploitation, and the global conflicts this will engender.

    Incorrect again. They will not be part of “Western vanguard.” They will likely speaking Mandarin (or future variation of it, al la Blade Runner) and be working and/or spending a lot of time in virtual worlds controlled by China as some type of cyborgs.

    Meanwhile you allow women (and men with Alpha 1.0 tendencies) to bring the sacred breeding cow to the table, leading to massive debate on your blog about ticking clocks, fertility treatments, child support.

    Yep. Because that’s what people are thinking about, talking about, and doing. View the world how it actually is, even if you don’t like it, instead of how you wish it to be. You’ll be a much happier man long-term.

    I had a smokeshow 20 years younger than me on my arm for 4.5 years…this was not my experience. I’ve said many times:

    Younger women had no problem with it.
    Put together younger men had no problem with it.
    Older women and weak males hated it.
    Old men fucking loved it, would shoot me grins and thumbs up!

    Yep:

    http://www.blackdragonblog.com/2013/06/23/the-double-standard-regarding-age-difference-in-relationships/

    A 35 yr old woman I recently dated flipped the f*ck out when I told her I made out with a 19 yr old (I’m late 40’s and it was an open relationship where I didn’t hide my attraction to other women), breaking up and bombarding me for over a week

    That is correct. As I’ve said many times, you cannot even hint that you’re getting sexual at all with much younger women to women over age 33 you’re dating as FB/MLTR, or trying to date. They’re just going to explode. I learned this the hard way (several times over) in my early years and I learned to just keep my mouth shut about it.

  47. A 35 yr old woman I recently dated flipped the f*ck out when I told her I made out with a 19 yr old (I’m late 40’s and it was an open relationship where I didn’t hide my attraction to other women), breaking up and bombarding me for over a week with angry texts about how the “frontal cortex” and body of a “fragile” (haha) 19 yr old “child” is “not fully developed”, calling me “borderline pedophile” and “sexual predator”

    Tell her she’s a misogynist for denying agency to an adult female.
    Or maybe men should just be more discreet about this sort of stuff because bragging about it can hasten the day when man haters eventually have their way and enact actual laws that prevent men from dating women 10+ years younger than they are (while probably maintaining a “legal” double standard so that older women can still fuck younger men. I’m sure they can imagine a rationalization; within the feminist framework, it’s incredibly easy). It may not sound alpha but I’m beginning to warm up to the secrecy strategy. Let the sheep stay unaware of the fuck fest they’re missing out on.

  48. Very encouraging thank you!
    If I might add, and not to pay myself on the back, I am an athlete and have taken meticulous care of my physique since I was in my early teens. I just turned 50 and my physique is award winning.
    I’m recently ended a relationship of ten years and have found myself single and facing a considerable challenge.
    Women in my age group are with very few exceptions completely washed up and gone to pasture… There is no way in hell I’m going to settle for a flabby worn out old hag rolling into the next years of my life. I will be looking for my equal and so far these are women in their mid 30’s or younger. For any woman who wants to talk shit about men who are wanting younger women… I suggest she figure out her ideal macronutrient ratios and get her lazy ass moving!!! These women can take the energy they waste complaining and pump some iron…
    Then I’ll pay attention to you

  49. Hey so my brother is considering getting re-married w an enforceable prenuptial but he’s not as Alpha as me so was considering doing a modern marriage contract that takes some aspects of black dragon stuff and mix it in.

    Here is what he was thinking about trying:

    A) he’d agree to be ” *monogamous” BUT only if she did not accuse him of cheating w/out proof, was accusatory, she cheated, withheld sex, got fat, or abuse

    B) then he or she could excercise this “freedom clause” and tell the other they are free until they were back to having sex again and drama stopped.

    The * (asterisk) next to monogamous is the exceptions basically on marriage contract.

    Now, I know most women would hate this because it would take much of their power away.

    But if his woman did accept this, would you guys consider this a positive sign?

    Side note: he has 3 girls under 12 and is 40 yrs old. So marriage or attempting a monogamous relationship might have more advantageous than someone like me that is totally free of children.

    So he’s looking for something in the middle maybe and is wondering if this might be a decent strategy since he’s job is much tougher.

    Thx guys

  50. A few months ago I was visiting a traditionally monogamously married couple and there was a tv show on about an older man with a younger woman in a relationship. This couple (who is miserable together and argue almost daily) both started to complain about how the age difference of the people in a relationship on the tv show was so wrong. The miserable guy would not admit that he was jealous of the man on the tv show. The miserable woman would not admit that years ago she used to live with an older man just like this, and yet here she is complaining about it. They did not really care if the older man and the younger women in a relationship were genuinely happy, as they miserably complained about it all while they are miserable in their traditional monogamous marriage.

    I figure about 90% of people are going to say stupid things about 90% of the time, so I basically don’t take most people (men and women) seriously. Also, I avoid negative people (men and women), and if they start saying negative things I just avoid them. That’s why it’s so much easier to not be legally married, so when someone starts to complain like this to not argue with them, just simply say “Have a good day” and next them, then happily move on to a new person who wants to have a happy relationship with you.

    I would never tell a woman that I was “dating” (or my relatives or her relatives or her friends) anything about past women I have “dated,” and I also don’t ask anything about her past relationships either. Also, I never would tell anyone the age of a woman I am “dating.” As a man I have no problem “dating” younger women. That’s another benefit of traveling too is to never have to explain anything about women I’m “dating” to anyone else. I treat people very nice, but if anyone ever said anything about my personal life that is totally off-limits such as against the age of a woman I was “dating” then I would kindly never associate with them ever again. An advantage of knowing my inner circle is myself and any women I am “dating” makes it easy to know who to listen to and who not to listen to and to know who authentically cares about my own happiness or who doesn’t as I live my own lifestyle to be happy.

  51. Correct me if I’m wrong, but those last few paragraphs seem the most awesome of the whole thing. Basically she admits that dating younger met is a super shitty time, thereby admitting that dating older men is actually _better for her_ and encourages herself and her female readers to _harm_ themselves by dating men who are younger, purely out of _spite_.

  52. A 35 yr old woman I recently dated flipped the f*ck out

    Why do people censor themselves on the Internet? Why? I REALLY wish someone would give me a coherent explanation so I can have some peace on this issue and not have to check myself in to a nut house. HAHAHAHA!!!!!

    I mean, you’re using an ANONYMOUS SCREEN NAME, FOR FUCK SAKE! Your mother is NOT going to know that you used the fuck word! No one in your life will know! Why this pussy G rated garbage behavior???? Why? Why? Why?

  53.  
    Now, if you’ll excuse me, my girlfriend and I are going to the movies to watch Saw 8, but when I get back, I’m hoping someone will solve this very serious self-censorship issue for me!
     

    SNOWFLAKES WILL NOT REPLACE US!  

     

  54. > self-censorship issue for me!

    Comes from spending time on message boards that are more family friendly or work friendly. Then it turns into a habit.

  55.  

    I’m hoping someone will solve this very serious self-censorship issue for me!

    Gee, the whole time I thought the real issue was the the fact that a woman I cared about shit all over me with the most vile, hurtful insults one can make against a man in 2017 😉 Anyway, I was trying to show my respect for BD’s blog and civility of the discourse here. Just because I’m anonymous doesn’t mean I’m not going to conduct myself how I would in person. And I have zero problem using the unadulterated version when that’s the kind of emphasis I’m going for. In this case I chose the F-light version since I don’t want to dilute the impact for when I really need it.  So, yea, that’s what the f*ck was going on

     

  56. Gee, the whole time I thought the real issue was the the fact that a woman I cared about shit all over me with the most vile, hurtful insults one can make against a man in 2017

    Correct! That IS the issue. If you’re the type of beta male who censors himself on the Internet in order to spare the fragile sensibilities of anonymous grown adults, then it’s no wonder that women don’t see you as an alpha and shit all over you. Your weakness stinks to them!

    The two issues are linked, pal!

    Anyway, I was trying to show my respect for BD’s blog

    How is saying “she flipped the fuck out” a sign of disrespect for BD or his blog? Do you know how many times BD has used the word “fuck” on here? Is this the fragility you show when you’re around a woman? How…….19th century of you!

    and civility of the discourse here.

    Your concept of “civility” comes straight from the FCC! You need to let your balls drop dude!

    If you’re this “child friendly” in your language, I totally understand why your ex thought she could get away with calling you a “borderline pedophile” and a “predator.” In a word, she knew you’re too fragile to do anything about it. It’s not like you’d forcefully call her out on her PC horseshit! You can’t even say “fuck.”

    Just because I’m anonymous doesn’t mean I’m not going to conduct myself how I would in person.

    Wait, so you’re saying that if you and I were talking in person, you wouldn’t tell me that she “flipped the fuck out” because you’d be concerned that the word “fuck” would make me cry? Really? Tell me what you don’t understand about women not having any respect for you again?

    This isn’t a professional business meeting, for fuck sake!

    And I have zero problem using the unadulterated version when that’s the kind of emphasis I’m going for. In this case I chose the F-light version since I don’t want to dilute the impact for when I really need it.  So, yea, that’s what the f*ck was going on

    So….you’re saving the word “fuck” for like the really important shit? Fine, then say “she flipped the hell out” instead of “fuck.” But going all “network TV” and on us just solidifies your identity as a beta (or perhaps an FCC employee), just so you know. I think the mystery of the disrespectful woman has been solved!

     

     

     

     

  57. Wow! That was “fucking” awesome reply lol.

    The other guy reminds me of the nerd on The Office….Tobby?

  58. Hi Black dragon,

    Had a question for you. As I have been dating several women for the past 5 years using the same type of techniques you endorse I have come to a definite confirmation on women and their dating habits. I do follow these women anonymously on social media to keep tabs on them. I am fine with them living their lives and dating other men and following them just allows me to keep tabs and see what type of girl she is and her dating situation. Women definitely act like they only see you but almost always are seeing several men concurrently. It is actually hilarious how they two time just as much as men in dating.

    Anyhow, what is your recommendation on what to do with this? For example, I’m seeing a girl and we have several great dates and we are sleeping together. Then I notice suddenly she is seeing another guy a little more often and when I asked her out she said she was busy? These young girls ping pong back and forth with guys based on their emotions. However what is the correct way to play this situation? When I ask them out once and they are busy, but I see them getting close with another guy do I withdrawal? Or ask out one more time? How do I know if they are early with these guys or they are in a relationship honeymoon phase and I shouldn’t chase? At what point do I let them go off with the other guy until they contact me to return?? This is a struggle I deal with. Is there a rule how many times you ask them out before you consider them committed for the time being?

    Thanks Bd

  59. @Nameless: intuitively, I’d say re-contact with increasingly long intervals (2, then 4, then 10 days for example, then assume NRE and apply the 4-month rule, unless she contacts you herslef of course).

  60. Correct me if I’m wrong, but those last few paragraphs seem the most awesome of the whole thing. Basically she admits that dating younger met is a super shitty time, thereby admitting that dating older men is actually _better for her_ and encourages herself and her female readers to _harm_ themselves by dating men who are younger, purely out of _spite_.

    Correct, and as I said above, that’s exactly why she’s angry. She’s taking her anger out on men when in fact she’s complaining about herself. Classic feminine thought processes.

    Had a question for you.

    http://blackdragonblog.com/off-topic

  61. She’s taking her anger out on men when in fact she’s complaining about herself. Classic feminine thought processes. She’s taking her anger out on men when in fact she’s complaining about herself.

    Meh. Once they’ve started saying that anything about their thought processes that causes them unhappiness is caused by cultural conditioning (“men’s fault”) and that there’s nothing innate about it, the conversation is pretty much over. “These are the cards you’ve been dealt” is not really a palatable statement for women, but then again, not for many men either.

    I think a funny way of trolling them might be to point to the unhappiness of female elephant seals, who get to live in a harem of hundreds for one top male. “Cultural conditioning must be really powerful in that species, huh?”

  62. @Blackdragon:
    countered by a technological solution
    Examples of long-term ecological disasters that have happened many, many times in our past? And even then I would argue we only ever get by with the skin of our teeth. We’re condemning our own flesh and blood to this massive level of risk and responsibility. The Superior Man indeed. At least let’s adopt.
    90%+ eventually want to have kids
    90%+ of your audience aren’t heeding this major (but downplayed) piece of advice. Leading to huge problems down the line. Does that not worry you enough to do something more, like really SPELL IT OUT AGAIN AND AGAIN? We are tough Alpha 2.0s not AFCs.
    the direction of human biology
    Institutions await those who cannot control their biology. If sex is an urge to procreate, then hunger is an urge to defecate.
    height of insanity 
    Just because I have an agenda to ‘save the world’, doesn’t mean I can’t argue the insanity of breeding and being dependent on the outcome of successful kids. Apologies if that appears ranty, I am trying to be concise on a logic-loving blog.
    virtual worlds
    You’re back to likely. 98% of top climate scientists think we’re likely to hit the point of no return very soon. Cyborg that.
    View the world how it actually is
    Advice taken. I just like to point out the elephant in the room. Would it hurt sales too much to have high standards, enlightened self-interest, and some tough love? You seem to be using your can-do attitude selectively.

  63. Examples of long-term ecological disasters that have happened many, many times in our past?

    Yes. The absence of whale oil in the late 1800’s. The oil shortage in the late 1970’s. The “hole in the ozone layer” in the 80’s. And on and on, so many examples, all bypassed (though not without a little pain) by new tech that was invented that alleviated or solved the problem.

    If you want to run around with your head on fire like other extreme leftists about how the world is going to an end and/or we’re all going to die because of the environment, you’re free to do so, but you’re not being rational, nor are you seeking long-term happiness for yourself (again, not that you care).

  64. @BD

    Speaking of age Gap do you have any intel on the number of times women will come back to a guy after you have the talk and she gets mad and leaves. Like an average or median #?

    Then do you know by age range group has a higher odds of coming back over and over again?

    I’m trying to determine if this ignore for 4 months and they come back pattern happens more with the over 33 or under and other stuff.

    Thx

  65. do you have any intel on the number of times women will come back to a guy after you have the talk and she gets mad and leaves

    I have only had 2 or 3 women do that in my entire life, so no.

    Then do you know by age range group has a higher odds of coming back over and over again?

    All ages come back over and over again, but the older a woman is, the less times she will come back and the less often she will come back, generally speaking.

    I’m trying to determine if this ignore for 4 months and they come back pattern happens more with the over 33 or under and other stuff.

    The ignore for 4 months technique works on all women, but the older a woman is, the longer you may need (6 months or 8 months or 12 months, instead of 4).

  66. Not procreating because it would be detrimental to the world, is dumb. This way, you are removing high quality genes from the gene pool and let some dumb fucker’s offspring (who does not give a shit about the worlds future), take your offspring’s place. In short, you would create the Idiocracy dystopia. Actually, according to scientific research, that is exactly what is happening. So, better breed a lot.

  67. [I format my comments with underlined titles and spacing, then the text appears all bunched up!]
    If a few relatively minor shortages and abnormalities caused a little pain, imagine serious global climate change. I wish it were just another left-wing fantasy, but the evidence is huge and the repercussions even larger. Precautionary principle. Why risk it.

    If I am wrong and people listen to me, all they lose is playing with babies that share some of their facial features.
    If I am right and people don’t listen to me, the same babies will have a life of long-term unhappiness (to put it mildly). That will affect our OWN happiness. I don’t know what it is like to have offspring, but I can imagine seeing your creations suffer bad times would make for an unhappy old age.

    Head on fire and irrationality? I am calmly looking at the odds and maximising the practical steps I can take to ensure my happiness. Some of this came from your teachings and analysis methods which I am also applying to other forums (in my spare time), to prevent ranting and external solutions. Credit to you there.

    It’s easy to put me in the SJW box, and ignore my well-reasoned Alpha 2.0 points. But it’s a limitation on your part.
    I repeat my most relevant and final question to you: An Alpha 2.0 should not succumb to pressure to breed, when it clearly limits freedom. Why is it even on the table?

  68. An Alpha 2.0 should not succumb to pressure to breed, when it clearly limits freedom. Why is it even on the table?

    Because some Alpha 2.0’s would rather have children for their own selfish reasons. I’m a big supporter of selfishness.

    It’s easy to put me in the SJW box

    Because you are, or else you wouldn’t be ranting about this.

    Some of this came from your teachings and analysis methods which I am also applying to other forums (in my spare time), to prevent ranting and external solutions.

    Your entire point here is a massive external solution; trying to be Al Gore on steroids by convincing everyone to not have kids to save the environment. That’s why it’s a waste of your time. Just don’t have kids yourself, live a great life, and stop trying to save the world. It doesn’t want to be saved anyway.

    We’re repeating ourselves here so this is my last comment to you on this topic.

  69. @Le Penseur:
    How do you know we’re not already in this dystopia, where even intelligent people who give a shit make dumb decisions, like breeding for power instead of focusing on self-improvement and educating others.
    Better ruin your life intelligently before someone else ruins it dumbly eh?

  70. Better ruin your life intelligently before someone else ruins it dumbly eh?

    @Sideburns Our life has no meaning without context. If you want only happiness and pleasure, buy a few kilograms of refined heroin from your savings and indulge for the rest of your (shortened) life. It is the most efficient method. Why bother with all those dating stuff.
    Probably this does not sound appetizing to you, so let’s move on to a purposeful life.
    In accordance with BD and you, I would suggest not to waste your efforts in reforming society. It is beyond redemption.

    I do not suggest breeding for power. I rather suggest breeding for survival of the causes we believe in. Unfortunately I cannot get children. If I could, I would practice what I preach. You, on the other hand, can procreate. So instead of wasting the reproductive years of fit women and let some lowlife siring inferior children with her, you should procreate or, if you forgo your responsability, choose non-reproductive women for your pleasure. BD has a great tutorial in his book how to have kids without endangering your life mission.

  71. Sideburns, what is your childhood trauma? Give it a rest, dude! Alphas will not be controlled. Not by you. Not by your employer (George Soros). Not by anybody!

    It’s easy to put me in the SJW box,

    Spewing garbage about “climate change” and other feminine/white guilt pagan crap makes it kind of easy, you have to admit.

    and ignore my well-reasoned Alpha 2.0 points.

    Why do you persist in thinking that we are just as stupid as the blue pill sheep on the rest of the internet? There is nothing alpha about nihilism. There is nothing alpha about fatalism. There is nothing alpha about promoting human extinction. There is nothing alpha about pessimism. It’s omega. It’s pathetic. It’s cowardly. It’s risk-averse. It’s beta. And it’s serving the agenda of the elites (which no alpha would ever do).

    I repeat my most relevant and final question to you: An Alpha 2.0 should not succumb to pressure to breed,

    Correction: An alpha 2.0 should not succumb to pressure period! Like the pressure that you are attempting to exert right now.

    when it clearly limits freedom.

    An alpha 2.0 would also never allow someone else to dictate what will or will not limit his freedom. That is a calculation he will make on his own, without any elitist garbage about “climate change” or feminine “think of the trees” horseshit!

    You clearly think you’re dealing with betas if you think we will succumb to pressure from the elites to not breed.

    Why is it even on the table?

    Here are my reasons for breeding. I will only elaborate on the first one:

    1. Because the elites who rule this world don’t want me to and I want to hurt you.

    This is my most important reason. If a slave master wants an alpha to do something, the alpha will do the exact opposite. The elites want me to stop breeding. For this reason alone, my primary objective now is to breed. I want your bosses to become at least slightly psychologically irritated, like a mosquito is annonyingly buzzing around their heads which slightly ruffles their peace of mind and makes them just a little bit less at ease! I’m talking here about tiny and seemingly inconsequential, but persistent, needling of the elites. I want to prey upon their human fallibility and make their smiles just slightly less broad in a way that is seemingly insignificant. It helps if you have a sadistic streak the way I do.

    Bottom line – I want you to fail in your mission because I want to hurt you, or disturb your peace of mind at least a little. The goal is to put you in at least some psychological pain for the sake of that pain, because I want to put a smile on my own face. Before you came on this blog, I wanted to have about three kids. But because of you, I now want to have six. So good job. I see how much the extinction of Europeans means to you, and if I can at least give you the impression that your plans aren’t being fulfilled fast enough, I’ve succeeded in satisfying my own sadism at least a little bit. That is the best reason to breed – to drive you crazy!   

    2. Because I want to prevent Europe from becoming Eurabia.

    3. Because I want to prevent the United States from becoming North Mexico.

    4. Because I want to prevent the destruction of western values.

    5. Because leaving a genetic legacy is a part of my life’s mission.

    6. Because I want to reciprocate to the millions of people in my bloodline down through the centuries for giving me the gift of life by refusing to be stupid enough to listen to people like you and hope that my descendants will thank me for that as I have thanked my own ancestors.

    7. Because I want to avoid an Ideocracy.

    8. Because, as an alpha, I want to breed and so I feel like it! If I feel like doing something, no amount of badgering from you will break me, unlike with betas!

    Resonate some understanding here, Sideburns: Alphas, by definition, don’t listen to the elites when the elites tell them not to breed. You seem to be thinking of omegas! Here are some harsh alpha truths for you:

    You will not control us!

    You will not feminize us!

    You will not replace us!

    And one more thing, just so I can take some credit away from you because I enjoy deflating your ego – If an alpha male refuses to breed, please understand that his decision corresponding with your agenda is a pure coincidence. Alphas don’t serve the wishes of the elites. They don’t care about your pathetic “reduce the population to 500 million” plan. You will only convince betas and omegas, whereas the rest of us will resist you with our last ounce of strength!

    And we will not resist because we think we’ll win necessarily. Do you know why we’ll resist? Just to prove to you that we can. And do you know why we want to do that? Just for the LOLs! The elites hate laughter, which is why our primary motivation should be to laugh (at you).

    Feel free to tell Soros everything I said here. Tell him to email me if he wants to discuss it further!

     

     

     

     

  72. @ Le Penseur

    I have embraced selfishness and fit women. I just can’t let dumb life decisions go unnoticed. Made too many myself already. Especially in the name of responsibility.

    I wish I could find older women attractive but I don’t. That’s biology one absolutely cannot change.

  73. I rather suggest breeding for survival of the causes we believe in.

    Well said. A major reason to breed is to make sure your ideas don’t die. But even if Sideburns disregards this, the best reason, like I said, is to make people like him cry, because nothing is more fun than watching the elites squeal like pigs.

    Unfortunately I cannot get children.

    Why not?

     

  74. How do you know we’re not already in this dystopia,

    Then the solution is for smart people to have kids. But if you’re preaching to us against breeding, you are implicitly admitting that you think we’re the idiots in the ideocracy.

    Man, you really make me want to impregnate 3 women tonight, lol.

     

  75. @ Jack Outside the Box

    It’s funny (peculiar) that you consider me in the pay of the elites. I wish my bank account would reflect that.

    But I actually did LOL that you just want to drive me crazy. Best explanation I’ve heard of why the Alt-wrong is so self-defeating. Your rant has educated and armed me. I salute you, Sir!

    we’re the idiots in the ideocracy

    No comment. The Greek philosophers’ ideas didn’t die. But many of their European descendants are seriously dumb. Memes not genes.

  76. Infertility, unvoluntary.

    You dodged a bullet. Be thankful. Everyone else has to vasectomise or ‘ejac outside the box’. The money you save on kids can provide you with luxury. Or if you’re bothered about idiocracy, you could give to charities that help ‘lesser people’ with contraception.

  77.  The money you save on kids can provide you with luxury.

    Wasting resources is for degenerates.

     you could give to charities

    Giving to corrupt charities is for pathetic betas.

  78. Man, you really make me want to impregnate 3 women tonight, lol.

    Jack, have my blessing. Your fighting spirit gives me hope for the future.

  79. Son: “Daddy, why did you financially cripple yourself, help a woman self-enslave, and bring me into this mess without my consent when millions of children need foster homes? I’m not even as smart as you had so hoped.”

    Dad: “Just to slightly annoy George Soros.”

    Idiocracy Now.

  80. Son: “Daddy, why did you financially cripple yourself, help a woman self-enslave

    Seems you let betaize yourself by degenerate Leftist education gurus. Question of tough and strict parenting. Children need love, rules, healthy food, simple clothes, some library books or downloaded e-books.

  81. Children need love, rules, healthy food, simple clothes, some library books or downloaded e-books.

    Children with your favourite skin tone right now are languishing in foster institutions waiting for strong parenting, and you can even get paid for it. Win Win. Plus you don’t need to depend on a ticking biological clock.

  82. Children with your favourite skin tone right now are languishing in foster institutions waiting for strong parenting,

    Children are in foster parent homes for a reason. Usually their parents are degenerates. Why should I invest in the procreating of people who are unable to take care for their own children?

  83. Children with your favourite skin tone right now are languishing in foster institutions waiting for strong parenting, and you can even get paid for it. Win Win. Plus you don’t need to depend on a ticking biological clock.

    Holy shit! Showing your true colors now.

    You think having your own kids will limit your happiness. BUT you think bringing up some other moron’s kids is a good idea and a win win! Boy you really are clueless about kids aren’t you!

    Ps. Fucking Love the “favourite skin tone” touch. How very Alpha 2 of you. Definitely not an SJW…not a chance!! hahahahahahahaha 😀 😀

  84. @ Marty

    I don’t think it’s a good idea. But when people insist on the external solution of child rearing, might as well get an income for it.

    98% confident that your loins will automatically produce super humans? no handicaps or problems ever exist in smart families?

    Alpha 2.0 and supremacism …. the connection please?

  85. You think having your own kids will limit your happiness. BUT you think bringing up some other moron’s kids is a good idea and a win win! Boy you really are clueless about kids aren’t you!

    Slam dunk. ROFL.

  86. If you fuck VYW you get called a predator.

    If you fuck the world by creating yet more superpredators you get cheered on.

                    Homo Fapiens, an evolutionary flaw…

  87. 98% confident that your loins will automatically produce super humans? 

    No…BUT I’m 99.9 and a bit% confident that bringing up kids from my own loins will make me happier than bringing up foster kids!!

    This is based on my own experience with my 4 kids. Plus back in the day I knew a lot of couples who did the foster kid thing and also knew quite a few foster kids. (I was a religious nutter for many many years.)

    Unless you are a super human yourself who loves drama fostering kids is a recipe for misery IMHO.

  88. Alpha 2.0 and supremacism …. the connection please?

    The connection is that Alpha 2’s don’t talk about “favourite skin tone” and “supremacism”. They don’t give a fuck! SJW’s do though!! It’s often their favourite topic! Along with overpopulation and global warming…..wait a second???

  89. @ Marty

    Ok Sherlock, you got me. I was an SJW, and sometimes a nutter about it.

    Doesn’t mean any of you can come up with an intelligent reason to breed that doesn’t preclude other far more intelligent choices.

    Also doesn’t mean the science world is operating under some pinko conspiracy or delusion. Ignore the warnings at your grandchildren’s peril.

    Including supremacists rather than ranting against them is just to show even nutters, even the pathologically selfish, can make smarter choices for themselves.

  90. Doesn’t mean any of you can come up with an intelligent reason to breed that doesn’t preclude other far more intelligent choices.

    BD already answered this. “Because some Alpha 2.0’s would rather have children for their own selfish reasons. I’m a big supporter of selfishness.”

    Also doesn’t mean the science world is operating under some pinko conspiracy or delusion. Ignore the warnings at your grandchildren’s peril.

    Out of my direct control. Don’t care. Watch and adjust accordingly for mine, my kids and my grandkids personal gain.

    Including supremacists rather than ranting against them is just to show even nutters, even the pathologically selfish, can make smarter choices for themselves.

    WTF? I seriously didn’t even know this word until you brought it up. I had to look it up. Don’t know, have never met an idiot like this. Didn’t care about them before you brought it up. Don’t care now!!

  91. @ Marty

    – Nothing wrong with some well-thought out selfishness. But Blackdragon’s was an intelligent analysis of an unintelligent action.

    – But presumably you DO care about not putting your potential grandkids in harm’s way. Anyway good luck with the logistics, you’ll need it, most won’t have it, even on this forum.

    – Plenty of idiots like this on this site. Bogging us down with rants about THEM taking over whilst happily joining THEM in project stupidity. Meanwhile the drama and dating problems continue. This forum is for self-help. Don’t you care about contributing to it?

  92. It upsets me that men I go on first dates with who are 30 years old like me have not given any thought to if or when they want kids, while this is a very important thing for me. It’s arrogant.

    It upsets me that I go on first dates and discover that the woman I am dating does not have a firm, definite, carefully thought-out opinion on Star Trek vs Star Wars. I mean – how dare they? How dare they not even giove the question some consideration? It’s the height of arrogance!

  93. It’s funny (peculiar) that you consider me in the pay of the elites.

    There is nothing peculiar about it. Your views are identical to theirs (coincidence?) and you are spreading them incessantly (despite not seeing the writing on the wall that no one here wants to hear your bullshit because we’re not nihilistic sheep) on a blog that is only, at best, tangentially related to the subject. What would distinguish you from someone who actually is getting paid by the elites? Nothing.

    I wish my bank account would reflect that.

    Well if they’re not paying you, they should. But then again, you’re giving them free advertising without even asking for a paycheck. Not very alpha.

    This is why I lost all respect for Bill Burr, by the way. He’s even started flirting with the Bill Gates inspired idea of mass genocide to “reduce the population.” Sick fuck!

    But I actually did LOL that you just want to drive me crazy. Best explanation I’ve heard of why the Alt-wrong is so self-defeating.

    Excuse me? I have nothing to do with the Alt Right whatsoever. They’re self-defeating because they’re a bunch of racist prudes who want to go back to the 1950s.

    Your rant has educated and armed me. I salute you, Sir!

    Glad I could help!

    No comment.

    Yet another trait you share with the elites – the bourgeoisie snobbery dictating that 98 percent of humanity are just stupid cattle (goyim). You’ll never get converts this way.

    The Greek philosophers’ ideas didn’t die. But many of their European descendants are seriously dumb. Memes not genes.

    Many of the Greek philosophers were monstrous tyrants. Plato, for example. Have you read his Republic? It may as well have been written by Orwell, Huxley, or Marx himself! You want to emulate that? More evidence that you’re in bed with the elites!

     

  94. Son: “Daddy, why did you financially cripple yourself,

    What? I have no plans to financially cripple myself. What the fuck are you rambling about now? If you can’t have babies without financially crippling yourself, then you probably shouldn’t have babies.

    help a woman self-enslave,

    Huh? Is this Andrea Dworkin style radical feminism you’re spewing now? HAHA! You’re dropping all pretenses now, aren’t you!

    and bring me into this mess

    What mess? I plan for my children to be very happy and fulfilled.

    without my consent

    HAHA! And how was I supposed to get your consent? Just eat your vegetables and go to bed!

    when millions of children need foster homes?

    Why should I care about other people’s children or their needs? Maybe my children will actually thank me for giving them the gift of life and will use that gift to achieve great happiness…

    I’m not even as smart as you had so hoped.”

    Pathetic! You really are risk averse, aren’t you. A beta trait.

    Dad: “Just to slightly annoy George Soros.”

    Not “just.” I gave you 8 reasons. I only elaborated on the first one.

     

  95. The money you save on kids can provide you with luxury.

    Or you could make enough money to both have kids AND luxury!

    Or if you’re bothered about idiocracy, you could give to charities that help ‘lesser people’ with contraception.

    Giving to “charities” is PC bullshit! I’d rather avoid ideocracy by encouraging smart people to breed, which is the opposite of what you’re doing.

    Children with your favourite skin tone

    I don’t have a “favorite skin tone.” I care about European culture and western values, such as the Renaissance, the Enlightenment, and the western concept of human rights, not race. So take your SJW white guilt to a more mainstream site! No one here is buying it.

    right now are languishing in foster institutions waiting for strong parenting,

    Good for them! And? Let them wait. Stop being such a PC bleeding heart.

    and you can even get paid for it. Win Win.

    Fuck that! I won’t be a glorified babysitter “for the sake of the poor, poor children.” HAHAHA! I want my own bloodline to continue. I want children who came from my body!

    Plus you don’t need to depend on a ticking biological clock.

    I have plenty of time and plenty of women. Another one turns 18 everyday. But thanks for the heads up!

     

  96. 98% confident that your loins will automatically produce super humans? no handicaps or problems ever exist in smart families?

    98% confident that my loins will automatically produce down syndrome retards? No redeeming value or happiness ever exists in creating new life? Everyone who has kids regrets it? No child ever becomes a millionaire, cures diseases, or changes the world for the better?

    If you fuck VYW you get called a predator.

    If you fuck the world by creating yet more superpredators you get cheered on.

    You suck at poetry. Don’t give up your day job. Oh wait, your day job is you spreading anti-population garbage on behalf of billionaire elites. Never mind! Yes, do give up your day job and become a poet. You’ll still suck, but at least you won’t be spreading anti-human poison for the benefit of a few inbred oligarchs!

                    Homo Fapiens, an evolutionary flaw…

    Wow! You realize that you are losing all of your followers (except the most rabid nihilists) when you reveal yourself to be a fucking fatalistic misanthrope, right?

    We’re had nihilists here before who tried to encourage us to commit suicide, but they couldn’t crack us. So now the elites have moved on to Plan B with this blog – deploy the anti-children memes. Won’t work either!

     

     

     

     

  97. It’s funny (peculiar) that you consider me in the pay of the elites.

     

    There is nothing peculiar about it. Your views are identical to theirs (coincidence?) and you are spreading them incessantly (despite not seeing the writing on the wall that no one here wants to hear your bullshit because we’re not nihilistic sheep) on a blog that is only, at best, tangentially related to the subject. What would distinguish you from someone who actually is getting paid by the elites? Nothing.

     

    I wish my bank account would reflect that.

     

    Well if they’re not paying you, they should. But then again, you’re giving them free advertising without even asking for a paycheck. Not very alpha.

     

    This is why I lost all respect for Bill Burr, by the way. He’s even started flirting with the Bill Gates inspired idea of mass genocide to “reduce the population.” Sick fuck!

     

    But I actually did LOL that you just want to drive me crazy. Best explanation I’ve heard of why the Alt-wrong is so self-defeating.

     

    Excuse me? I have nothing to do with the Alt Right whatsoever. They’re self-defeating because they’re a bunch of racist prudes who want to go back to the 1950s.

     

    Your rant has educated and armed me. I salute you, Sir!

     

    Glad I could help!

     

    No comment.

     

    Yet another trait you share with the elites – the bourgeoisie snobbery dictating that 98 percent of humanity are just stupid cattle (goyim). You’ll never get converts this way.

     

    The Greek philosophers’ ideas didn’t die. But many of their European descendants are seriously dumb. Memes not genes.

     

    Many of the Greek philosophers were monstrous tyrants. Plato, for example. Have you read his Republic? It may as well have been written by Orwell, Huxley, or Marx himself! You want to emulate that? More evidence that you’re in bed with the elites!

     

     

     

  98. Ok Sherlock, you got me. I was an SJW, and sometimes a nutter about it.

    You still are. Actually, you’re now a misanthropic nihilist, so that’s even worse. But I’m not surprised. Social justice is only one step away from pro-extinction garbage!

    Doesn’t mean any of you can come up with an intelligent reason to breed that doesn’t preclude other far more intelligent choices.

    Human extinction is the least intelligent choice anyone can possibly make. Of course, that’s not really your goal. The real goal of the elites is to persuade Europeans to voluntarily kill themselves because, as the racist cowards that they (the elites) are, they believe that ruling over a world with “dark people” will be a piece of cake due to the other races’ supposedly inferior intelligence. This is seriously how the elites think. They want whites to cause their own extinction so the elites can have peace of mind and “never be persecuted again” by the goyim.

    Also doesn’t mean the science world is operating under some pinko conspiracy or delusion.

    Science? No. Scientists? Yes. Just follow the money. Follow the grants.

    Ignore the warnings at your grandchildren’s peril.

    Dude, grow a pair! Us humans are not licked yet!

    Including supremacists rather than ranting against them is just to show even nutters, even the pathologically selfish, can make smarter choices for themselves.

    Like the choice to give America to the Latinos and Europe to the Muslims? I don’t think so.

    But presumably you DO care about not putting your potential grandkids in harm’s way.

    I care about making sure that my potential grandkids aren’t pussies. That way, if they do get put in harm’s way, they’ll take care of themselves and be fine. Your beta cowardice and attitude of surrender sickens me.

    Anyway good luck with the logistics, you’ll need it, most won’t have it, even on this forum

    My logistics are pretty good now.

    Plenty of idiots like this on this site. Bogging us down with rants about THEM taking over whilst happily joining THEM in project stupidity.

    If our enemies are outbreeding us while we’re listening to anti-life nihilistic garbage ideas, which assist THEM – The Horde of Economic Manipulators – in our extinction, who’s the stupid one again?

    Meanwhile the drama and dating problems continue. This forum is for self-help. Don’t you care about contributing to it?

    Yes, and the best way to contribute to a self help forum is to show everyone how pussified your ideas are and to encourage every aspiring alpha to not be like you. Thanks for serving as an example of what not to be.

     

     

     

  99.  

    98% confident that your loins will automatically produce super humans? no handicaps or problems ever exist in smart families?

     

    98% confident that my loins will automatically produce down syndrome retards? No redeeming value or happiness ever exists in creating new life? Everyone who has kids regrets it? No child ever becomes a millionaire, cures diseases, or changes the world for the better?

     

    If you fuck VYW you get called a predator.

     

    If you fuck the world by creating yet more superpredators you get cheered on.

     

    You suck at poetry. Don’t give up your day job. Oh wait, your day job is you spreading anti-population garbage on behalf of billionaire elites. Nevermind! Yes, do give up your day job and become a poet. You’ll still suck, but at least you won’t be spreading anti-human poison for the benefit of a few inbred oligarchs!

     

                    Homo Fapiens, an evolutionary flaw…

     

    Wow! You realize that you are losing all of your followers (except the most rabid nihilists) when you reveal yourself to be a fucking fatalistic misanthrope, right?

     

    We’re had nihilists here before who tried to encourage us to commit suicide, but they couldn’t crack us. So now the elites have moved on to Plan B with this blog – deploy the anti-children memes. Won’t work either!

     

  100. But Blackdragon’s was an intelligent analysis of an unintelligent action.

    Says the guy suggesting people foster kids instead of having their own because having your own leads to happiness but fostering is win win blissful happiness.

    most won’t have it, even on this forum.

    But we will don’t worry. The results so far a staggering to say the least. Thanks for the concern though!

    Plenty of idiots like this on this site. Bogging us down with rants about THEM taking over whilst happily joining THEM in project stupidity. Meanwhile the drama and dating problems continue. This forum is for self-help. Don’t you care about contributing to it?

    Seriously have no idea what you are talking about. Its seems you are projecting you delusional stereotypes onto everyone who doesn’t buy into your crazy SJW view of the world.

    You have definitely made this and the other blog some of the most entertaining threads ever though. I love that you are pretending to live Alpha 2 and then trying to twist that into your rhetoric to try and influence us into becoming beta bitches….for the good of the world at least. 😀 😀 😀 Yet we are all just falling off our chairs laughing at you. All the responses from JOTB and others are good value to help guys on here know how to deal with SJW bullshit in their normal lives though. It’s actually fun to remember how stupid all these ideas are on a personal level.

     

  101. Black Dragon:  According to the data in the article you linked to the average ideal age that women under 3o want in a man is 25.  Yet I believe you advocate not lying about your age.  Why shouldn’t a man who’s 35; but can pass for 25 lie about his age?  At least until he bangs a woman he’s going after at least 2 times.  Intuitively it seems like lying about your age online, getting in their panties, then revealing your true age after they’re already attached to you would be a more effective strategy.

    Am I incorrect or missing anything here?  Perhaps the average is 25 but they’s a very large variance in the data?  Which would suggest that some VYW are repulsed by the idea of an older man, and some VYW like the idea; so splitting the difference wouldn’t lead to a competitive advantage?

  102. Black Dragon:  According to the data in the article you linked to the average ideal age that women under 3o want in a man is 25.  Yet I believe you advocate not lying about your age.

    I advocate not lying about anything, but I’ve said before that if you want to deduct a few years off of your age on your online dating profile and then come clean on the first or second date, that’s not a big deal.

    Why shouldn’t a man who’s 35; but can pass for 25 lie about his age?   At least until he bangs a woman he’s going after at least 2 times.

    If all he wants is one night stands or brief FB relationships, then he’s more than welcome to lie about his age all he wants. If he wants long-term nonmono relationships, lying about your age by 10 years, including and especially if he waits until after sex has occurred a few times, it’s likely going to make her feel weird/disgusted, cause drama, and cause women to leave. Not every time, but often.

     Intuitively it seems like lying about your age online, getting in their panties, then revealing your true age after they’re already attached to you would be a more effective strategy.

    It is, if your goal is just to get laid. If your goal is to create a long-term roster of FB‘s and MLTR‘s, it is a poor strategy. It depends on what your goals are.

  103. Why shouldn’t a man who’s 35; but can pass for 25 lie about his age?

    I’m turning 26; I think I’ll start twisting the truth a little when I turn 30 and say I’m 29 (30 seems to decrease your chances for anything casual with hot chicks); then I’ll “turn 30” at 33 or so; I’ll be 36 at 40, 45 at 50, etc. And I’d exercise and take care of my appearance to keep it credible, which is after all most of what women actually care about. But I’d come clean on the first or second date; the lie is for online only. And anyway, technology might soon make it impossible to lie about your age.

    This reminds me to ask you BD: when I follow your guidelines about women over 33 etc, do I just assume their profile is truthful about their age? If I want to avoid ASD, should I go several years below 33 in case they shaved a few years off on their profile?

  104. when I follow your guidelines about women over 33 etc, do I just assume their profile is truthful about their age? If I want to avoid ASD, should I go several years below 33 in case they shaved a few years off on their profile?

    What you’re describing is an issue for women who are well over age 35, not women who are 28-34. So the answer is no.

    However, I rarely go above age 30 when I do blitzes, not because I’m worried about them lying, but because ASD begins to rise at around age 28 and gets worse until they hit 33. It’s not like they’re perfectly normal than they turn 33 and BAM! they hate sex on the second date now.

    For high odds of sexual success, you should keep all the women you date to age 27 or under, as best you can (barring some occasional exceptions for your own specific reasons, like when I met up with Pink Firefly, but she opened me).

  105.              racist prudes who want to go back to the 1950s

    [then pulls out islamophobia and conspiracy theories about Jews], not that I care anymore. You’re insane, but only human.

    Point of order Marty:

                  “fostering … blissful happiness”

    Play fair. I never said that. Not part of my plan anyway.

    The rest of you, is it really that difficult to love women, stay free, AND see past your front door? Blackdragon’s life plan includes ‘giving back’ (at the end). It also eschews luxury and excess..

    After you’ve earned the sum and got the harem, what the fuck do you do with the rest of your life? Breed more insanity? Or look for wisdom here and now?

    With a good work-life balance and an abundance mentality it’s perfectly possible to have it all. Leaving the world a better, less risky, place only adds to the enjoyment of life. Why does it have to be either/or? Are we that short of money and desperate for pussy that we can’t even think about wider effects? Are our lives so empty we need to clone ourselves at all costs? Can’t you think of another way to leave a legacy? Don’t you have younger relatives already? Where is your inner child? (Doesn’t include childish fantasies about making infallible humans).

    Don’t want to give up your meat? cars? travel? toys? Whatever.
    Want to rule it over other people? Hard to stop you even if I cared any more. Please throw them some condoms.
    Want to keep this needy global shit test going for generations until it all eventually snaps? Grow up. Enlightenment indeed. Cultural superiority indeed. Beta.

         on a personal level

    All my suggestions also work on a personal level. That’s the beauty of it. Calling me a SJW or a nihilist won’t change that. That’s why I am on an Alpha blog. I’m not an infiltrator. I am a customer. Just pointing out that the Emperor is lacking a few key garments.

  106. [then pulls out islamophobia

    HAHAHA!!! Fake SJW buzzword! Congratulations! Your social justice credentials have been irrefutably confirmed!

    I don’t know if your fellow PC enthusiasts have told you this, but Islam is a choice, not a race. And people should be held accountable for their choices, your politically correct buzzwords notwithstanding.

    Besides, you should hate Muslims. They have a lot of kids as part of their religion. Or do you only hate it when white people breed? You’re not good at this dude!

    and conspiracy theories about Jews],

    Um…I’ve said before on this blog that roughly 3 or 4 percent of Jews are Talmudic bigots who think the rest of us are cattle and they comprise most of the elite families. The remaining 96 percent of Jews are normal, innocent people who know nothing about this. But the Talmudic Jews don’t exactly hide it.

    You’re insane,

    I’m glad I’m getting to you. I want you less at ease and more unhinged every day. Robbing the elites of their peace of mind by preying upon their human psychology should be the goal of every decent human being.

    but only human.

    That works both ways, pal. I know you hate humans. And I know that you, for some reason, actually believed that bringing that pro-extinction misanthropic shit to a blog full of alphas was going to work. But you need to come face to face with the reality that you’re just a flawed human too, no better than me, and so are your bosses.

    They are not magical. They are not “reptillians.” They are not superior or untouchable. They are just flawed and emotional men. They may be billionaires, but they are still human. They can be put in emotional unrest. They can be hurt. And they can bleed.

    Please be a good messenger boy and tell them I said that.

    The rest of you, is it really that difficult to love women, stay free, AND see past your front door?

    That’s exactly what we’re doing. Refusing to see past our front door would be a recipe for human extinction, which is what misanthropes like you are advocating, not us.

    After you’ve earned the sum and got the harem, what the fuck do you do with the rest of your life? Breed more insanity?

    No. I plan to breed more sanity!

    Or look for wisdom here and now?

    Now you’re starting to sound like Eckhart Tolle – another CIA shill who wants us to “live in the now” and be the grasshopper instead of the ant. I’d rather save for the winter.

    With a good work-life balance and an abundance mentality it’s perfectly possible to have it all. Leaving the world a better, less risky,

    I’ll say it again: You need to grow a pair and stop being so terrified of “risk.” You’re acting like an omega.

    Why does it have to be either/or?

    What are you talking about?

    Are we that short of money and desperate for pussy that we can’t even think about wider effects?

    What the fuck are you rambling about? What “wider effects?” Of having kids? Oh I am thinking about the wider effects. That’s why I want kids. To make the world better and saner.

    Are our lives so empty we need to clone ourselves at all costs?

    HAHAHA! Are you saying the life of every animal on the planet is “empty?” Point me to a single life form in the universe who’s life isn’t “empty” by your absurd nihilistic standards! I’ll wait!

    Breeding is what prevents extinction. I love humanity, so I want to avoid extinction. But you seem to think that not hating humans is “empty.” So what is hating humanity then? “Full?” LMAO!

    Can’t you think of another way to leave a legacy?

    Find me another way that would annoy you just as much and I’ll get right on it…..in addition to breeding, of course! I’m always looking for new ways to psychologically torture the controlling oligarchy by preying upon their humanity!

    Don’t you have younger relatives already?

    What does that have to do with anything? I want to create human life!

    Where is your inner child?

    Swimming in my balls. For now. I prefer the outer adult. Otherwise, I’d succumb to PC and try to repeal Free Speech because it hurts my “feewings.”

    (Doesn’t include childish fantasies about making infallible humans).

    Who said anything about making infallible humans? You’re rambling again.

    Don’t want to give up your meat? cars? travel? toys? Whatever.

    Who said I’ll be giving any of those things up?

    Want to rule it over other people?

    No. Only your bosses want that. And the best way to rule over other people is to decrease their numbers. Nice try.

    Hard to stop you even if I cared any more. Please throw them some condoms.

    People have plenty of condoms. But they should take them off and have kids once in a while.

    Want to keep this needy global shit test going for generations until it all eventually snaps?

    What global shit test? You mean human life?

    Grow up.

    You mean, commit passive genocide? That’s your idea of “growing up?” I think I’ll decline. No one ever accused you of being a persuasive speaker, have they?

    Enlightenment indeed.

    Yes, not wanting your species to die is pretty enlightened, I dare say.

    Cultural superiority indeed.

    Yes, western civilization is unquestionably superior to all other societies and cultures on the planet in human history, by every measure – science, medicine, technology, freedom, human rights, sexuality, equality, democracy, capitalism, prosperity, happiness, etc…

    This is just a measurable fact! Our culture is factually superior by every measure! Set one foot outside the West and you’ll be begging to come back. Try Africa first! HAHAHA!

    Beta.

    It is beta to recognize the fact that my culture is objectively superior to all others by every conceivable measure? No, I think your pessimism and desire for passive genocide is beta.

    Calling me a SJW

    Find me one non-SJW who uses the term “Islamophobia.” You won’t be able to.

    or a nihilist

    Question: What is the difference between a nihilist and someone who advocates for human extinction?

    Answer: Nihilists also cut themselves and listen to shitty emo music.

    So tell us about your musical preferences next! I smell Phil Collins…

    That’s why I am on an Alpha blog. I’m not an infiltrator. I am a customer. Just pointing out that the Emperor is lacking a few key garments.

    A customer who uses SJW buzzwords and advocates for the passive genocide of all humanity on the grounds of “growing up,” which apparently equals “death.”

    Have fun visiting cemeteries, whining about “climate change,” screaming that “we’re all gonna die,” and reading your Edger Allen Poe. The rest of us with actual balls will be busy having fun, loving life, loving humanity, and making sure it continues long after sorry nihilists such as yourself commit suicide.

     

  107. Don’t want to give up your meat? cars? travel? toys? 

    Are you fucking crazy. Of course I don’t want to give these up. You forgot to mention fucking lots of VYW, enjoying nature, nice views, nice food, wine, beer, scotch, snowboarding, motorbikes (much better than cars!)….etc etc etc as well.

    Want to rule it over other people?

    Nope! You are projecting again!

    Grow up.

    Really…you’ve run out of arguments so you are going to use the classic sub 90 IQ favorite! Although most your points are really quite incoherent, I thought you were at least better than this one.

    Its a bit sad but you are getting more transparent and boring with every post! Yawn!! :/

  108. @ Jacked in the bollocks

    LOL. I am getting quite fond of your nuttiness!

    @ Marty

    You’re right, I’ll keep it short and sweet next time. I was trying to get inside your head and got the punishment I deserved. Have fun enjoying nature and nice views with 8 billion people in your way all copying the fine example you’re setting. Leader.

    ————-

    So I think we’re all agreed then:

    Breeding is for lucky selfish optimists, or else ignorant idiots. I wouldn’t recommend saying that on a date though…

  109. @Sideburns: open youtube and type Ecumenopolises. Watch the first video. With a diligent enough harnessing of technology, Earth can house a trillion people, and a Dyson swarm can house a million times that number. We just need to play the 21st century carefully and get on the other side of the environmental bottleneck; after that, there is no obstacle to having a greater population while still keeping large and numerous natural reserves, perhaps even prehistoric reserves for resurrecting extinct fauna and flora. There is no either-or dichotomy between the expansion of humanity and the preservation of nature. There are only problems of finite complexity to be solved, not impossibilities to flail your arms at and yell that extinction is the answer.

  110. @ Gil Galad

    I AM playing the 21st century carefully. My way is 100% guaranteed at no further pain and cost.

    I am not yelling or flailing arms. Except at the unfortunate disappearance of VYW in 18 years’ time. But someone has to take one for the team. Bring on the sex robots quick, Blackdragon!!

     

  111. @Sideburns: then stop waving your human extinction movement in our faces at every opportunity. You either want humans extinct or you don’t. Temporarily putting the brake on birth rates (which third world countries should be doing, not Westerners with their already shrinking numbers) is a separate discussion from wanting humans extinct.

    So I repeat: if you’re arguing for the latter, stop mentioning the human extinction movement. And maybe go to Niger where convincing people to have fewer children is actually needed. Or admit it’s only a means to an end for you and that your real end is indeed extinction, in which case you are just as out of place on this blog as the pro-suicidal nihilists we had in the past.

  112. @ Gil Galad

    You know exactly what I want. And weaving it into my life whilst maxing my fun is part of my mission. Sure it’s a work in progress, a skill to hone. Sometimes I may lapse into a little rant. Apologies. But I am calm about it.

    How am I out of place (precisely please, not just that I remind you of a SJW or a beta or nihilist you once knew)? Thanks.

     

  113. You know exactly what I want

    No, I only strongly suspect it, based on the name of the movement you regularly mention at the end of your comments. Do you, or do you not want humans to go extinct? Do you, or do you not think human life is an inherent evil? And if you do, what are you doing on a self-improvement and dating blog?
    And if you don’t and only want temporary brakes on growth, why are you recommending lack of breeding to an audience that is mostly from countries that need more births if anything? Why don’t you ditch the hypocrisy and go preach to people who actually have a high birth rate problem? Dishonesty and reluctance to put the cards on the table are beta traits. Say it to us strait.

  114. Most women want to look younger than 30. Most men (well, me being one of the exceptions) want to date women below 30. I believe in the maxim: want for others which you want for yourself. Instead of scrounging for the limited resource of very young women, better turn older women into pleasant, fun and sex loving people. Fuck the ASD out of their brains until they forget that nonsense and scream of pure extacy. Imagine how older women will feel when they know they will look hot still in ten years, twenty years or a hundred years. And have kids whenever they like, with whomever they like. We have a solar system to fill. I guarantee you that they will be horny as hell. Let’s fight aging now.
     

  115. @ Gil Galad

    Hate to bore people but you want it straight:

    I am recommending lack of breeding to everyone. I do want humans to go extinct. I do not think human life is an inherent evil, and I love mine. But our brains are an evolutionary anomaly with a very dangerous side. Fortunately they can also be used to stop this, painlessly.

    I am on a self-improvement and dating blog to improve myself and my dating. While I’m here I like to promote my world view. Sometimes I get pulled into a sparring match. I am only human. If people can help me communicate better I am grateful. I want to maximise my enjoyment of life AND minimise my negative impact on other life forms at the same time, which can be tricky, but is necessary for me. Like fucking without lying. If someone can show me a better way I am grateful.

  116. I must be arrogant. I’m 55, and thought I could date very young women.

    So, I did.

    And so far, have bedded two of them, a 21 yo and a 23 yo.

    Yes, many young women are repulsed by older men, but there are quite a few out there who are receptive to us.

    Because we have a lot to offer. Just gotta be relatively successful and in shape.

    I wish I had known this was possible years ago. It’s such a great experience.

     

  117. Hate to bore people but you want it straight:
    I am recommending lack of breeding to everyone. I do want humans to go extinct.

    You mean you hate not to lie and deceive and hypocritically use arguments unrelated to your true goal to bamboozle people into going extinct, starting with the smarter ones?

    I do not think human life is an inherent evil, and I love mine.

    I love mine too, and I’d like to live multiple centuries thanks to rejuvenation tech, and in the meantime, I want people around me, and I want to see them explore space, and do that with them. You want the future to be human-less, and for that you’re my enemy, who wants me and these people and their dreams dead.

    But our brains are an evolutionary anomaly with a very dangerous side.

    One could easily argue that you’re the anomaly. We are the least immoral species ever. Most others only maintain their illusory “balance” with nature simply because they crash when they breed too much. We’re the only ones that actually give a damn and try to engineer a future with both us and nature in the picture. If we disappear, congrats, the Earth is rid of us, now what? Who will be there to even give meaning to that fact, to even realize that this is “good” in any way? Hah, you still need one of those anomalous brains to be there for that. Otherwise it’s just a ball of gravel with sacks of meat crawling on it. “Humans are bad for the planet and should go extinct” is a contradiction in and of itself, because human brains are the only things that can make that judgement or question it in the first place, and in their absence there’s no saying that the new state is “good” or “bad”.

    And where did you get the premise that evolution is an objectively good process (I’d argue it’s a horrible one) and that an anomaly in it would be objectively bad? “Dangerous side” to whom? What’s being endangered that you’re assuming to be more important than humans? And more important to whom and according to to whom? Everything you preach is rendered meaningless in the absence of humans. But maybe you’ll want us all dead except one dude who’ll stay in a bunker to give meaning to the bunch of critters and shrubs.

     

  118. I’m 55, and thought I could date very young women.

    So, I did.

    And so far, have bedded two of them, a 21 yo and a 23 yo.

    Yes, many young women are repulsed by older men, but there are quite a few out there who are receptive to us.

    Yep. I get a lot of whiners and naysayers on this blog saying that what you did is impossible. As always, for every man bitching it can’t be done, there’s another man doing it.

  119. @ Gil Galad

    Lie and deceive? I have done nothing but bang on explicitly about the same topic!

    We’re the moral species that nukes children, drives planes into skyscrapers, and causes mass extinctions. Lurching from horror to crisis, desperately hoping for the next salvation. In the absence of humans there are no problems, not even objectively.

    I’d love to be that dude, decommissioning the last power stations and chemical plants. Finally proud that my species did an amazing, clever, and elegant thing using a beautiful mind and some condoms. Until then I’ll try make the best of the crazy 1970s experiment that is my life.

    May we live long and die out!

  120. May we live long and die out!

    We should clean up our act and ruthlessly exterminate all enemies to our survival, such as misanthropists, psychopathic banksters  and violent or oppressive religious loons. As the only technology-capable sentient species on Mother Earth, we should protect our biosphere and expand it to the rest of the Solar System, for starters.

  121. Yep. I get a lot of whiners and naysayers on this blog saying that what you did is impossible. As always, for every man bitching it can’t be done, there’s another man doing it.

    I see men online on different sites making several excuses as to why they can’t get younger women. On the PUA Hate forum, someone said that the oldest guy they knew (that was banging college women) was 29 (and looked like Rob Lowe). Also, on the Attraction Forums, there is someone that had this to say the other day:

    Marriage isn’t “about money” per se, but women marry men almost purely for their social status, and social status CAN be bought—with money.I know a guy (we’ll call him A) who owns 3 houses, boats, and is always driving a brand new Mercedes. He has enough money to travel anywhere he wants, whenever, and take girls on lavish vacations. I’ve seen him poach girlfriends left and right from people who he calls “friends”. I’m Facebook friends with him, and when attractive female friends of mine, or women I’m dating, post on my wall, A responds to them, flirting with them. Every attractive girl who enters our social group ends up banging and/or in a relationship with him.What does he have that everyone else in his circle of friends don’t have? Houses, boats, lavish parties, and brand new Mercedes. This is how he creates his social status.All you have to do if you want loads of pussy is have the money to buy things that give you social status: cars, boats, houses, parties, and the like. If you want to aim big, you might even go for airplanes.It doesn’t matter how much game you have, if you work at McDonald’s and drive a shitty car (serious).

    Money may make it harder for a lot of guys to get pussy because women see you as a provider.

  122. Why shouldn’t a man who’s 35; but can pass for 25 lie about his age?  At least until he bangs a woman he’s going after at least 2 times.  Intuitively it seems like lying about your age online, getting in their panties, then revealing your true age after they’re already attached to you would be a more effective strategy.

    Lying about your age is the correct play to make as an older guy that wants something long term with the hottest girls in 18-24 age range.  They may still fuck you if you tell them the truth, but if you want something long term, lie about it.  I have massively field tested this and I have encountered no downside.  If you want to tell them the truth once she’s already heavily invested (1 or 2 months), then go for it.  They don’t give a shit at that point.

    https://numbersgamelife.com/why-you-should-lie-about-your-age-as-an-older-guy/

     

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