women-ages

I’m one of the few guys I know who have dated, in large numbers, women in all age groups, from age 18 to 49.

Here is a general description of the age ranges of women and how they differ from each other.  Disclaimer: As is always the case when talking about human beings, there are odd exceptions to every rule.  Please do not bother to point out the exceptions you’ve personally run into.  Yes, yes, there are always exceptions.  Regardless, what I’m about to describe is generally true the vast majority of the time.

Age 18 to 23 – “Slutty Disney

Women in this age range are wild, free, happy, dramatic, and irresponsible.  ASD is at an all-time low at this age, and it’s not uncommon to see women this young fuck five, ten, or even more guys in a six-month period.  It’s not a problem for them and there is nothing abnormal about it.  They constantly get into “monogamous” relationships, and promptly cheat.  (And the if guy is also this young, he’s probably cheating too).

Despite all this sexuality, a woman’s Disney fantasies are at extreme levels at this age, and all she can think about is falling in romantic love, getting married (or the equivalent) with her Prince Charming and having babies.  Unlike women in their 30’s, this desire is mental only.  They take very little action to actually accomplish and stick with this.

Not surprisingly, at this age women make the most irresponsible decisions.  Having a baby with the wrong guy, marrying the wrong guy, moving in with the wrong guy, all of that is very common at this age.  They are constantly leaping in and out of relationships all the time.  (Just watch how often they change their Facebook relationship statuses…it’s ridiculous.  And they love it.)

Women this age are extremely drama prone, BUT, and this is a big “but”, in the face of a strong, confident man, they will happily divert their drama to other places besides him.  (This diversion is usually impossible with older women, who feel they have a “right” to throw drama at their man if they’re in a bad mood.)

Women this age use alcohol and drugs an insane amount, far more than any other age group, regardless if they’re over 21 or not.  (Yet another testament to society’s insistence on maintaining laws that don’t work.)

At this age, a woman is all about fun.  The god of having fun trumps everything else in her life until she creeps into age 24 or so.  If it’s not fun, she’s not interested.

Age 24 to 26 – “Ms. Independent

At this age, women back off on the promiscuity a little.  I said a little.  Instead of fucking five or ten guys, she’ll tone it down to two guys, and she’ll happily rotate new guys in and out all the time.  I am amazed at the number of women I have known in this age group who are fucking exactly two guys at almost all times.  It’s a magic number for them…just enough to have some fun and get laid, but not enough to violate any of their slowly-building ASD.

Women this age will still drink and party a lot, but they won’t drink to the point where they’re puking all the time.  They still love drugs and alcohol, but they’ve learned more about their own bodies and moderated things a little.

The defining attribute of women in this age range is how they tend to avoid boyfriends.  They do not want to be “tied down” to some needy boyfriend, even and espeically the ones who follow their orders and kiss their ass.

They’ve learned from their 18-23 years that boyfriends are trouble.  Boyfriends lie, cheat, get needy, get jealous, are a lot of work, leave you, and hurt your feelings.  So fuck that.  But they still love men, fun, and sex.  So she’s going to play the field, enjoy herself, and be independent.  It is women in the 24-26 age group who will literally lecture you after sex about how they don’t want anything serious and how they are not your girlfriend.  Which of course is the absolute and complete opposite of most women in their 30’s.

Age 27 to 29 – “OMG I’m still single!”

Women in this age group are identical to the 24-26 crowd except that the biological clock has now started ticking.  They love fun and being independent (especially now that, usually for the first time in their lives, they’re making money on their own) but they are now getting concerned that A) they have not found their soul mate yet, and B) they don’t have any babies yet (assuming they don’t have any yet…many of them do).

A childless woman who hits age 28 will suddenly want to have babies, badly, even if she doesn’t know why.  It’s the most amazing thing and I’ve seen it happen many times.  (REALLY watch the birth control if you’re playing with a 28 or 29 year-old who hasn’t had any kids yet!)

Thus these women will cast off their “no boyfriends!” rule and start carefully, carefully looking for a boyfriend/husband/provider.  But they won’t leap into anything and they’ll still have fun and get laid until one comes along.  No more than one or two guys at a time, of course.

Women this age tend to have the most sexual hangups/issues and are the hardest to make cum, by far.  If you want to make them cum (and you always should, but that’s another topic), do some tongue exercises, stretch those fingers, and be prepared to put in the time.

Age 30 to 32 – “ASD Blossom”

At this age, the ASD in her brain is almost at full-bore.  Now, getting a boyfriend/husband/provider is an important mission in her life.  It is at this age that women are the most picky about the men they date, since this is when high ASD meets with the fact she’s still young enough to be somewhat pretty and in demand.

Thanks to now blossoming ASD, for the first time in her life, she will now actually go without sex if she doesn’t meet any men who are up to her provider-hunting standards.  Uh oh.  This does not bode well…

Age 33 to 38 – “I’m A Lady Now”

At this age, a woman has gone through all kinds of failed relationships, divorces, legal battles, cheating boyfriends, horrible first dates, and asshole male bosses.  Men are no longer fun.  Rather, men have become the enemy.  Or at least, a necessary evil.  She likely has a job she hates, bills she can barely pay, and kids that stress her out.

On top of all that, when she looks in the mirror she sees all kinds of wrinkles, cellulite, and saggy boobs, and that just pisses her off even more.  Modern day single women in their 30’s are big, walking balls of stress.

Things like enjoying herself, being happy, achieving goals…that’s all gone.  Those are all silly things she liked when she was younger.  She has responsibilities now . You can’t go around having sex and enjoying yourself when you have kids and bills to pay!  She’s “had her fun”, and now it’s time to buckle down and slog through the pain and drama that is life. She’s a “lady” now.  She doesn’t “do that” any more.

If you’re on a date and actually try to have sex with her, boy are you in for a treat.  She’ll immediately whip out a 300-page book called “Dating Rules and Regulations”.  “Let’s see…we’re on our second date…so we can’t have sex yet, but you can touch one of my boobs…that would be okay.  If we make it to the third date I might let you take my shirt off.  Maybe.  We’ll see how well you do on our next date first.”

If she’s actually powerful enough to overcome the rivers of ASD flowing in her system, you’re going to have to commit to be her full-on, monogamous, loving, ass-kissing boyfriend.  Or no sex.  Ohhhhh no.  She’s a lady now and ladies don’t have sex outside of deep, meaningful, committed relationships.

The exception to the rule is if you are an ex-lover of hers, or a reasonably good-looking and younger-looking guy who effectively presents himself as sexual but having absolutely zero provider potential, something very difficult for most men to do (even those with solid game).  That way she can fuck him and rationalize it as “Well, we aren’t actually dating, so it’s okay.”  (As you can see, her mature age has increased her ASD, but has done nothing to reduce her chick logic.)

Age 39 to 49 – “Delusional Empress”

Essentially, just like women in their 30’s, but x2.

Single women in their forties, especially ones who are not yet overweight and have retained some level of good looks, have reached a point where they think they are the most beautiful, intelligent, desirable, strong females in the universe.  She’s a catch, and you’d better treat her that way.  All other women are “silly” and “immature”.

Usually men wanting to have sex with a forty-something are expected to treat them like queens well beforehand.  Gold-digger behaviors and expectations are at their height at this age range. Men who don’t treat them like goddesses are somewhere between “not gentlemen” and “pigs”.  Men who reject them are “shallow” or “clearly have issues” and should have “taken the time to understand how amazing she is”.  While buying her dinners and not having any sex, of course.

The painful irony of all this is women at this age are really, really horny.  I’m serious.  Bitches be crazy.  The problem is because of their massive amounts of societal programming, ASD, and raw arrogance, the ONLY way they can have sex is from a man who attracts them AND does whatever he’s told AND commits right up front (outside of the “zero provider-potential fuck buddy” loophole which is still in effect).  So if she starts to like a guy, but he doesn’t behave exactly as she expects him to behave (i.e. worship her), she gets very, very upset.  Oh lord, do they get pissed.  You need to behave yourself so she can get laid dammit!!!

The slight good news is if for some reason you manage to lay one of these women, she will crave your cock like you’ve never seen.  You’ll get texts every single day, yelling at you to get your ass over to her place so she can cram your cock inside her again.  I’m not exaggerating.

Age 50+ – “Realization”

By age 50 (usually well before then), women finally lose their ability to use their looks to get what they want from men.  Women this age finally, finally, finally realize that there is no Knight In Shining Armor™ who is “out there somewhere for her.”  They finally “realize” (since they can’t flip their hair or stick out their chests and get what they want from men any more) that men are either super boring (Betas) or completely incapable of adhering to her Disney fantasy life-plan (Alphas).  She finally understands there is no third category of “perfect guy”.

Most women this age are already married to either low-end beta providers who bore the shit out of them (but whom they can’t divorce…she’s too old to snag a new man so now she’s stuck with whatever she has) or a cheating alpha whom she can’t stand but reluctantly tolerates (and still can’t divorce).  And in both cases, she accepts this is how men are.  The single ones just grab pretty much whomever they can find, marry him, and ride out the rest of their lives with drastically reduced expectations from their husbands (and men in general).

This acceptance of reality and lack of sexual power is why women over 50 tend to have lower divorce rates.  For some women, this is a great weight off their shoulders, and many women have a sort of re-awakening in their early 50’s and finally achieve the peace and happiness they’ve always (thought) they’ve wanted.

Calibrating Based On Age

Your lays will increase and become easier if you calibrate your approach to each woman you meet based on her age range.  Is she 19?  Play up the “fun” aspect.  Is she 26?  Make it clear you’re not needy and aren’t looking for a girlfriend.  Is she 35?  Hit the gym, get buff, dress in very inexpensive clothing, throw a strong sexual frame at her, and ask her to pay for the date (since you “don’t have any money”) OR dress really nice, talk about your last promotion at the office, and kiss her ass all over the place (and be prepared to commit).

You get the point.  The bottom line is never assume that women of all ages are seduced the same way.  There are significant differences.

Many times I”ve talked about how I will no longer cold approach new women over age 30 (online or any other way).  (I will still sleep with women over 30 whom I already know or who I meet via social circle game.)  Based on these descriptions you can see why.  Closing on these women is doable, but requires a completely different mindset.  Perhaps I’ll talk more about that in a future post.

70 Comments on “Ages Of Women And Their Differences

  1. If society respected itself this would be printed out and posted on the inside of bathroom stall doors for men to read while they poop. All men would benefit from this epic blog post. And women would too.

  2. I am not to proud to admit that, as most good information is, this piece seems completely obvious after you read it. For years I have been banging my head against the proverbial wall trying to deal with women in some of these categories. The last section is the gold but the whole post should be required reading.

  3. Yes, women after 35 give hardly sex if you’re a kind of succesfull guy, they want commitment first. At least they try that, first I thought I do something wrong, maybe I did, but the main problem is that they are in provider seeking mode. Very good post!

  4. Interesting post.

    I am curious, though, about something.

    What about the possibility that these age range behaviours might be just as strongly influenced by the time periods that these women grew up in as well as how many years they have been alive?

    For example perhaps women in their 30’s now behave as they do partly because they are that age, but also because they were teenagers in the 90’s, and were influenced by the ideas and perspectives of that time period. I don’t have data, or your experience, to back this up, but I have the impression that it is more socially acceptable for a girl to be promiscuous now that it was 20 or 30 years ago.

    I’m guessing, BD, that you have considered this, and I’d be interested in hearing how much you think it affects these behaviour types.

    Faust

  5. On top of all that, when she looks in the mirror she sees all kinds of wrinkles, cellulite, and saggy boobs, and that just pisses her off even more. Modern day single women in their 30′s are big, walking balls of stress.

    Not looking forward to that.

  6. You have shared a lot of knowledge with me and I want to thank you for that.

    But…39 to 49 are by far the easiest group. The estrogen in their body is dropping and the testosterone is still there. It really doesn’t matter if they are married in fact if they have been married for a long time they will hunt you down for a f*ck
    you don’t need game if you can’t run fast they will f*ck you!

    and the really sad news
    there are no women over 58 that have sex anymore,
    they are done…

  7. I am definitely not an authority on this like BD, but I don’t think I agree with the way the age groups are categorized. I would say that the “slutty disney” phase would be high school up until age 20 or 21. This is when girls are most adventurous and are most open to casual hookups. Then I would say the “Ms. Independent” starts at 21-22. Based on my observations, girls mellow out a lot at this age and they are nothing like the adventurous 18-20 year olds. They are now more focused on completing their education and pursuing careers. Then of course, “OMG I’M STILL SINGLE” seems to start around 25. From what I can see, this phase is actually a lot like the “ASD full blossom” phase. At this age, they seem to get super picky and it seems really common for women to start espousing feminist ideas, even women who had no association with feminism during their college years. Women who are still single during their early 30s probably enter the “ASD full blossom” phase. Not too informed about single women in this age group, because this is the age where they tend to find a husband and settle down. I see qualities of both the “I’m a lady now” and “delusional empress” phases in divorced 35-45 year old women. Basically these are the women I see in online dating forums complaining to each other about their dating experiences, talking about how shallow and sleazy men are for not behaving the way they expect them to. “He clearly has issues” is a perfect example of the things they say. Can’t speak on women past that age group, not enough experience.

  8. So if she starts to like a guy, but he doesn’t behave exactly as she expects him to behave (i.e. worship her), she gets very, very upset.  Oh lord, do they get pissed.  You need to behave yourself so she can get laid dammit!!!

    The slight good news is if for some reason you manage to lay one of these women, she will crave your cock like you’ve never seen.  You’ll get texts every single day, yelling at you to get your ass over to her place so she can cram your cock inside her again.  I’m not exaggerating.

    At my age, where this age of women is now my realistic target group, I can vouch for this. Sex out of this world but my god, be very careful when you don’t, “Give them enough attention.”

  9. ” the ONLY way they can have sex is from a man who attracts them AND does whatever he’s told AND commits right up front (outside of the “zero provider-potential fuck buddy” loophole which is still in effect). ”

    Right on the money!!!Exactly what my 44 year old wife of 22 years did! Fucked a 19 year old zero provider potential guy for 10 months while ragging me about her lonnng list of needs not being met. And yes shes still very hot and knows it so I get the double whammy of bullshit and shes out banging her loser boyfriend who does nothing for her except slam his cock in her when she demands it. all while i watch the kids. You are sooo on the mark with all the ages. Never again!!!! Alpha 2.0

  10. Blackdragon, do you think there will ever be a society, where ASD no longer exists? So, once attraction is present, a man and a woman can have sex without all the useless dates.

  11. Ever? I don’t know, though various cultures throughout history have gotten pretty close (pre-Constantine Rome, historical Cantonese cultures, etc).

  12. Those examples are a little inaccurate, as women had no power back then, thus no choice but have sex with their masters.

    I think, however, that we are moving towards the direction of an ASD-free society, as there are more and more SNLs in the clubs than the past and polyamory gains ground. So the 3 date rule starts becoming obsolete. Maybe there will always be a little ASD, because of women’s insecurities that they will get dumped after sex. I would be happy to read your opinion on this.

  13. Those examples are a little inaccurate, as women had no power back then, thus no choice but have sex with their masters.

    There was still no ASD. If a Roman wife didn’t want to fuck her husband, she would say, “I don’t want to have sex today. Just fuck one of those whores down the street and be back for dinner.” Imagine a modern-day wife saying this.

    Maybe there will always be a little ASD, because of women’s insecurities that they will get dumped after sex. I would be happy to read your opinion on this.

    Much of ASD is tied to Obsolete Biological Wiring, so I think that’s probably true, yes.

  14. “Bravo” that was phenomenal! Very informative and from my expierence very true, it’s wonderful to be able to get other man’s perspective and opinions. Women write all kinds of books about men some of them bestsellers. This is great information for single men in America. I strongly recommend that you write a book incorporating this plus points of view from your experiences regarding the different age groups of women and dating them in 2016. It’s about time that a book like this is written for men, on a nationwide level possibly even international the Book would sell very well and written correctly I wouldn’t be surprised if you made it on the New York Times best-selling list. Thanks again your information was very helpful and also really cool to be able to compare my experiences to what you wrote.

  15. This is absolutely brilliant, and more than just a little true at every point.  I’m a 44-year-old man, dated a couple of dozen women between the ages of 22 and 42 during the past three years, and this post is incredibly on-point and accurate to a T!  I’m sure many people will see this post as a painful stereotype toward women, and women who date have their own list for men to be sure, but as I read through the typical age behaviors here it was incredibly true.  The sweet spot for dating a woman (in my opinion) is between 30-35 as that period seems to be the age where they’re just about to get bitter, but still hold out enough hope they can meet a cool guy.  But like the writer said, once women get to this age, they do tend to get bitter, and certainly have extreme “empress syndrome”.  In fact, a lot of women at any point in their 30s have this, and think they’re the bees knees when in fact they are far less attractive than they think they are, both physically and mentally.  One commonality with women of all ages, though, is that the majority of them have no emotional stability.  I end up walking away from 90% of all women I date because they have some sort of manic episode during the first or second date (I went on a date last week with a 35-year-old who talked about how she cheated on her ex-husband, then started crying in front of me).  I’m not a terribly picky guy, but I’m a handsome successful dude with a great job and cool life.  I’m comfortable with who I am and know what I want, and I think it might intimidate women, and that goes for all ages.  Online dating especially tends to be a psychotic gathering of ADHD freaks and flakes who only want to unload their problems on people.  But I’m getting into the weeds here.

    Great post here — there is a lot to be learned!

  16. Blackdragon, do you think there will ever be a society, where ASD no longer exists? So, once attraction is present, a man and a woman can have sex without all the useless dates.

    Aborigines saw nothing wrong in coupling on the street, in front of bewildered Europeans.
    Your question probably meant to ask if there will ever be a culturally developed ASD-free society.

  17. Great blog, at 53 , I can see nothing but truth here , 25 years of marriage has left me with “empress” syndrome and a failing marriage. A ball of stress highly horny if you stand still and shut up, and listen to a barrage of degradement fit for the marine corp. My exit is very near and I learned BD essay the hard way. Im headed back to the playground ?

  18. This is an all time classic post. Do you believe some women advance faster than others through this process? For example, went out with a 28 year old who is in full blown ASD and admitted to having lovers 10 years younger that had no provider ability. These were trysts. Her behavior seems more like a late 30s woman.

  19. I just wonder what younger women thought process is? While at a young boys football game with kids from 8 to 13 both male and female, I was watching my 11 year old son. The pre game music began to blair out profane rap with F bombs, the crowd around me kept saying “did you hear that”, and after hearing another barrage, I was furious. I stormed to the counter and yelled at the young woman, and man playing the music, and stated” if I hear another F bomb come out of these speakers, I will be back here for you” looking at the 20 something male. I returned to my chair fuming, for having to speak about this at all, and for the fact I lost my temper in public.

    My wife scolded me upon my return for yelling, the young woman, (maybe 20) followed the director to where I was to talk to me. After a conference about common sense in my opinion, the director walks away, and the young woman remained to talk to me about the music. Guys, I’m telling you this girl appeared turned on by this situation!

    I could not believe it, and shook it off but she appeared turned on and reaching for something to stay, and talk to me about, and I had just yelled at her, and her accomplice 5 minutes before. I have replayed this in my head 100 times, mainly because I was out of line by yelling, but I really believe this young woman was turned on by my attitude.

    So, I ask you gentleman, I am 53, and decent to look at according to the women in my family , and normally polite. Was this young woman turned on?? I can’t get why?

  20. Well, BD, What was going on?

    I work with an 80% female work force. I see woman at all stages. I know what is self indulgent flirtation, or provocation. I also know what appears to be actual fire in the eyes. I almost dread either reaction, because it occurs at times that are a safe zone for the female, and carries risk, often extreme for the male.

    I may add that the above described female was smiling the entire time in a warm manner, and was not in patronization mode
    I guess he better question is: Is it safe to respond to open, out of the blue, arousal of the female? Or, is it always a high risk of indulgent ego syndrome of the female?

  21. I couldn’t answer that without you getting very specific (and you don’t need to here) or if I was there. I just know that 20 year-old girls don’t get turned on by 54 year-old men angrily yelling at them.

    Either you misinterpreted or she’s some strange exception to the rule.

  22. Well I believe she was, my yelling( which I was wrong to do) was general until the 20 something male looked unmoved by my comment, then it was directly at him.
    I don’t know for sure, but I think it was the “blood in the water” syndrome I’ve seen in young women before. They get a thrill by male machismo that leads to confrontation . Even if it leads to bloodshed at times .
    Frankly, it sickens me, and I regret yelling at the young man. Just one of those weird days when leprechauns and unicorns run rampant .

  23. I believe very much that location affects this. I live in the south and most all the chicks in the area follow the Slutty Disney paradigm, no matter what age they are. Chicks in my area pretty much demand that dudes have a sexual frame and if you don’t have one (and aren’t matched up to them in terms of appearance) then you are sunk. If you don’t make any moves on the first date where I’m from, then you won’t hear from the chick again.

    And in most cases, they move right on to the next guy right after no matter what you do. This just happened to me last week. Had one of my female buddies set me up with one of her buddies, we got drinks on our first date, had sex at her place on the second date and now she’s flaking like crazy. Like an idiot my dumbass caught feelings just cuz she was more attractive than the chicks I usually get with lol.

    Nearly all my lays while living here have been on first dates. Chicks are like players here haha, they live for the random hook up. And most all of them cheat. They brag about it on their phones lol. And if they do lock a dude down, that boy usually gets cucked big time. I guess this is nice if you want ONS’s for life but I’m kind of getting tired of this phase. I want a chick I can have sex with more than just once haha.

  24. Mmmm…I agree to some of it. I must be that rare woman apparently.
    I am a natural blonde blue eyes and told very pretty and sexy. Im not egotistic.
    I have my own professional business so I dont need to rely on the man for money.
    Im 48 but look 35 and well taken care of myself and keeping fit.
    My sexual desires recently went into FULL BLOWN CRAZY FUCK ME MODE to where I am watching porn masterbating and getting off on myself. I have fantasys all day long and cant concentrate on nothing since I am always thinking downstairs. Im very concerned.
    I have a husband who has no desires and he is terrible in bed. I have thought about leaving him or having an affair but feel dirty thinking about it because he is a good hearted man.
    I have tried to get hime to join my sexual desires but he pushes me away in which I cant understand since I get hit on all the time.
    Im battling myself and went and purchased a new toy to try to satisfy my urges but not working. Ive video taped myself while masterbating to watch, Im on porn sites, reading on erotic,and reading on how to make my man sexually want me by saying and doing the right things to try to do whatever it takes to save me from cheating.
    The thing about a high sex drive is you will do just about anything to get relief but if you cant get relief then what do you do ??? Live Video came to mind but I cant do that it feels discustingly cheap of my values. I recently met an attractive man whose married in the same situation as me and started sharing naked photos to arouse each other.
    If my husband could just stick his dick in me and last linger than a quick 5 min cum I would be happy but its all about him when he wants it and nothing for me.
    Im not that woman that wants to be treated like agoddess like you mention on this age time as I am very patient with all of this.
    Any suggestions as I have said I have had a very honest discussion with my man but nothing changed. I have aked him to send me a masterbating video as possibly he would join me.
    But nothing…ughhhhh frustrated

  25. Sorchia – I would recommend you have another conversation with your husband. I know you’ve had a conversation already, but you need to make him understand the gravity of the consequences if he doesn’t meet you halfway. It’s a matter of willpower – it’s his choice. Put the ball in his court. Make it about ‘saving the marriage’ – in those strong of terms. Tell him you’re being strongly tempted to cheat at this moment but have refrained thus far. If nothing else he’ll respect you for laying it all out there and doing the right thing; then you both can decide to stay together or not – but it will all be above board.

  26. @Sorchia: Unless your man magically acquires a higher sex drive (and even then…) and more skills, try to make your marriage an open one. You can negotiate with him whether “open” means the two of you are only allowed physical non-monogamy (casual sex on the side) or emotional as well (an actual lover on the side). If he refuses after you clearly laid out your reasons, you should leave him. There’s no reason to make yourself so unhappy and frustrated: if you’re horny, you should be having sex.

  27. Thank you,
    For your responses, I think the discussion should fall deeper like you said above and lay it out on the line on my marraige before cheating. It seems were growing apart as well in many other areas of interest. Im frankly scared of change. But if it comes to it leave before cheat I will feel better about myself if anything.
    I appreciate everyones input …

  28. So we had the talk I was very honest about watching porn,my desires,erotic sex,etc..
    I realized this relationship isnt just about the sex but about change. Im changing and wanting to live my life as Im seeing things differently now. Btw he is 4 yrs younger than me and all he wants to do is live life in a routine. We have no children so this is not what I want in life.
    I workout,fitness train for optimal body building and he sits in front of a TV.
    I want to go to Concerts and see the world by having fun and breaking free after work and he feels he has to rearrange his schedule of football and its a burden that he will go to be with me and be miserable so I can go to a concert or anywhere as he would rather be home. The more I look at my relationship its scary that we ended up in this comfortable dull routine if life in our relationship. Yes I could see this if we were really old but were far from it. Life is too short.
    I am not even sure if I can save this marraige as both partners need to give and take to be one. Which means I dont expect him to give and I myself not give back.
    I am not asking that he quits his football TV All day Sunday,Monday and Thursday nor have I asked him to break away from TV every night addiction, I feel when I ask for a day or night out other than going to dinner its a big effort and he just is not into it at all. Do I want my man to feel this way ? NOOoooooo
    I want him to have some of the same interests and want to go with me and have fun.
    I guess I am very adventouris
    Is that wrong ot me ??

  29. After 6 yearz. I hit 23. And every girl i know just acts in the dysney princess fantasy. Ranging from 18 all the way to 30. Alcohol, drugs, sex cheat. Thats its. Have a kid with the biotch and she’ll leave the kids with you and fuck off. Her fun life is more important. And though at 23, i have been told by a psychologist that in tidays equivalent. I have high maturity for my age. Says my maturity is around 40+years for men. So now i am stuck being turned off by all these ‘party goer sluts” . its weird. Cause all i wanna do is have a family and settle down in the woods. But no girl(obviously i want a woman) around my age, as to who i have dated, has a maturity level equivalant to mine. And the older ones think im too young. So guess who will be single with 2 kids until they die. ME.

  30. @Fred:

    After 6 yearz. I hit 23. And every girl i know just acts in the dysney princess fantasy. Ranging from 18 all the way to 30. Alcohol, drugs, sex cheat. Thats its

    That is the opposite of the Disney princess fantasy. The only one who has that fantasy is you.

    now i am stuck being turned off by all these ‘party goer sluts” . its weird.

    Ever thought of becoming a priest?

    Cause all i wanna do is have a family and settle down in the woods. But no girl(obviously i want a woman) around my age, as to who i have dated, has a maturity level equivalant to mine. And the older ones think im too young. So guess who will be single with 2 kids until they die. ME.

    Find an Amish girl. Become a farmer. Reject technology. Read the Bible. Be happy. And then laugh at us “immature folks” while we laugh back at you in kind.

     

  31. Hey all:
    I am 66 , married and have been with 4 other men in the past 3 years . They overlapped a little bit, but mainly for the past two and a half years I have been with one 42 year old man. I was 64 and he was 39 when we got started. I don’t feel the need to get divorced as long as I am discrete. My husband had an affair 20 years ago and refused to get an STD test so our sex life ended–his choice. Then I waited a long time until the kids were grown and gone, and I went out on my own. I am a poet/spoken word entertainer. I was never really pretty and I do have saggy arms , a slightly saggy ass, some crepey skin, and I probably look like I am in my 50s.  I am a grandmother. My boyfriend and I have had sex way better than my very wild 1960s hippie sex. I mean hours and hours of crazy shit. I am very flexible and work out 6 days a week. So I can out do him (he smokes I don’t) but my only problem is the porn. He is 42 now and maybe that means Gen X or Millenial,  I don’t know, I am totally a hippie, revolutionary, feminist boomer. He would go on like this forever, but I am getting sick of the cyber sexting shit. He is a boob fetishist but mostly he likes to chase down 20 something girls to see if he can get over on them. Immature, yeah, well what do I care about that part. We are both artists, we both love sex, we laugh, do art, hang out , and generally like each other beyond just friends, but if he can’t stop with the sexting and cyber shit (he says he will never meet them and that they are far away and deleted 99.9 % of them, but he can’t just stop) and I just can’t stand it, so I am probably going to break up with him (I will miss him). 6% of my aged women are into porn. With males in his generation I forget but the % is massive. It grosses me out as creepy , sexist and just gross) He is the one gonna be missing me. I get hit on all the time at poetry slams and the like, by men his age and younger –very rarely my age men. I don’t look great. Really, I never was very pretty anyway. There is just something about me that men get attracted to. So, I wouldn’t say I am a prude. I will do anything almost sexually with a man I am into, but I am not into the porn that includes other people. I don’t like watching other people have sex, or looking at dick picks , or close ups of anal (so gross , enough to make you never want to even try it) but he seems addicted to it , so I am out of here after 2 1/2 good years over that. I have a question. Are there any men who are not into looking at young women’s boob, porn and the hunt as a game? I don’t want a boring guy. I don’t care what he looks like as long as he has a cool brain. I don’t care on age unless he wants to sit in a rocking chair–I prefer a rocker dude. So age , I don’t know what it means except these younger men all seem to like porn and I can’t deal with that.

     

  32. I’m a woman who has had two male leeches who did drugs, wouldn’t get a job, and cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    I have never been interested in providers or babies.  Does the writer have any opinion on women who don’t use men, or does the simply wish to help other fellows increase the notches on their bedpost?

    This post is little but generalizations and casual cruelty.

  33. Forgot to say.  I missed the slutty Disney phase. Too bad, sounds like fun.  Too busy getting an education.

  34. I’m a woman who has had two male leeches who did drugs, wouldn’t get a job, and cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    What does that say about your judge of character?

    I have never been interested in providers or babies.

    Good.

    Does the writer have any opinion on women who don’t use men,

    Those are the only type of women we’re interested in.

    or does the simply wish to help other fellows increase the notches on their bedpost?

    Both. It’s not either/or.

    This post is little but generalizations and casual cruelty.

    Your post is self righteous virtue sniveling and garbage PC outrage. Grow a thicker skin.

    Forgot to say.  I missed the slutty Disney phase. Too bad, sounds like fun.  Too busy getting an education.

    False either/or dilemma. You seem to have a problem with time management. I’d work on that instead of falsely accusing your more open minded and less stuck up sisters of not being educated.

     

  35. I agree with Vanessa for the most part. I don’t think “most” women are as crude and devious as you portray them. I do think that most people male and female, are pretty stupid in their early 20s not all of course, but many.  I don’t believe in men using or as they call it now playing women or woman doing the same to men. Not all people are like that. Not all people are creepy manipulators out to “get as much sex as they can without any intimacy. That is what is wrong with people now. Ugh. I feel really sorry for you. I took a three year walk into that world and I can tell you it is UGLY and the children and trashed and turn into trash. It is a creeped out empty life you all live. Jesus Christ what a fucking mess.

  36. This post is FULL of assumptions and stereotypes. It appears your ignorance and dissatisfaction of your history with the opposite sex has created a delusional movie playing in that head of yours. Open your mind and let the bitterness go. And good luck with things 🙂

  37. This post is FULL of assumptions and stereotypes.

    Actually, it’s full of real-life data based on real experiences of myself and hundreds of other men.

    Open your mind and let the bitterness go.

    I think that statement is directed at yourself. The only bitter person here is you.

  38. This post is FULL of assumptions and stereotypes.

    Projection.

    It appears your ignorance and dissatisfaction of your history with the opposite sex has created a delusional movie playing in that head of yours.

    Projection.

    Open your mind and let the bitterness go. And good luck with things

    Projection.

  39. Ugh. I feel really sorry for you. I took a three year walk into that world and I can tell you it is UGLY and the children and trashed and turn into trash.

    What the fuck are you rambling about?

     

  40. The world you all live in is so ugly.  There is no room for real intimacy or love, or sacrifice for others in anything . It is all about nobody getting over on you, in either direction. The fear and cowardice is palpable. I may be bitter , I don’t know, I know I am sad. It is a sorry state. And I am older and have had more sex than most people, raised two beautiful children, ushered parents through death, helped people who needed it at my own expense, and still can look out my window at the Rocky Mountains and feel the wonder. Wow, I see people like you all in the bars where I do my feature work. It is almost enough to make me just not go out there anymore, but I need the money.  You all really need to re-evaluate what love, and responsibility, and caring, and vulnerability really mean. It isn’t all about you and your dicks and how many women you can get to ride them. Going to puke now.

  41. The world you all live in is so ugly.

    You have zero clue about my world, or the world of anyone here.

    There is no room for real intimacy or love, or sacrifice for others in anything

    I rest my case!

    It is all about nobody getting over on you, in either direction.

    Well that’s just called high self esteem.

    The fear and cowardice is palpable.

    Projection.

    I may be bitter , I don’t know,

    Yes you are. You’re also a cliché.

    I know I am sad. It is a sorry state. And I am older and have had more sex than most people, raised two beautiful children, ushered parents through death, helped people who needed it at my own expense, and still can look out my window at the Rocky Mountains and feel the wonder.

    And yet, you still haven’t learned how to avoid making garbage assumptions about people.

    Wow, I see people like you all in the bars where I do my feature work.

    Wow, you’ve never seen anyone like me. You wouldn’t be able to recognize it if you did.

    It is almost enough to make me just not go out there anymore, but I need the money.  You all really need to re-evaluate what love, and responsibility, and caring, and vulnerability really mean.

    Drop the “over the rainbow” Disney crap. You have no idea what you’re talking about in reference to anyone here.

    It isn’t all about you and your dicks and how many women you can get to ride them.

    Why not? What’s wrong with that?

    Going to puke now.

    Good. I hope one of your cats can hold your hair.

     

  42. It isn’t all about you and your dicks and how many women you can get to ride them.

    Why not? What’s wrong with that?

    I rest my case.
    It is all about nobody getting over on you, in either direction.

    “Well that’s just called high self esteem”

    Right that is what they call an inability to have empathy and vulnerability with someone you love. (NOT)

    As for the cat holding my hair back? Hardly. I don’t even have any pets because I travel all over the US performing my work. I have been extensively featured in many forums and venues, that are hardly old last cat person–as my daughter likes to put it, Ma, you wear leather pants and look hot in them–so um no. I have my choice of lovers, many touring musicians who play with well known bands. So just because I am not a shallow idiot looking to get laid by a (make me laugh) Alpha, I still get as much sex, attention, as I want, leaving time to yes–do my work as a self supporting artist–and can have sex with almost anyone I am interested in from age 20 something up. BUT I choose not to when it is gratuitous and belt notching bullshit. Frattyboy crap.

  43. Jane Wilder, the person you’re talking to doesn’t speak for me. It appears as if this article is the only article you’ve read of my content. My content is not about just getting laid. It’s about maintaining long-term, happy, honest relationships with women where both man and woman achieve a life of long-term happiness and fulfillment.

    Step one in that process is, yes, getting laid. If that bothers you, then fine, but that’s only the first step in a long process of long-term relationships.

    Also, as I told the woman right above you, this blog is written for men, not women, thus it’s written in a hard, blunt, technical language that will turn most women off. But that doesn’t mean it’s all about getting laid. It isn’t.

  44. Blackdragon:
    Actually I have read a number of things you have written and watched some videos as well  . I used to be on the women’s site too, but removed myself. I don’t think I knew I was still on yours. I don’t see why it would be different really what gender you are speaking to.  Women can be just as hard, blunt and technical as men, (and still be feminine women) and not be tuned off by such language. We are not children, at least I am not a child. I have had a lot of life experience and lived 10 years homeless on the streets back in the 60s and 70s before it became cushy, so , I am not easily shocked or offended.

    What offended me in the last interchange was not a matter of coarse language or obvious sexual needs of people Believe me , I understand that. What I object to, is more the objectification and as the other woman said, the stereotyping of women as an “in general”.. Of course I am not in any of the mentioned age ranges, but I can assure you that I, and other women my age are not “done with sex” and are in fact quite sensual /sexual beings. Women postmenopausally actually have physical changes that make having an orgasm much easier in many cases, so no we are not lacking in sexual power . For many men, including much younger men, our ability to prove their manhood to them by orgasms that are multiple and dramatic, is a turn on. You might not be turned on by a woman my age. I have found that men under 40 are much more likely to be attracted to me. They have less to prove to themselves about their own fear of their own aging.

    My last long term (three years) boyfriend was 39 and I was 64 when we started our love affair.

    What I don’t like are the games, the tricks, the traps, and the deceptions you mention in your crusade to get laid. I find it disingenuous and to be brutally hard, harsh and honest, I find it boring. A man who has to dress a certain way, pretend he has or does’t have money, kiss up, or play some other silly game about the “fun” side–shit. That sounds like jr high to me when we were told in my day to write conversation starters under our little white gloves. Geesh. Are we really back to all this fakery and calling it honesty?

    My guy and I eventually broke up because i wasn’t willing to move in with him. Why would I want to? He is much younger, has semi-adult kids, and will probably want to build a new life (his ex wife divorced him years ago when their children now 20, 21 were small). with some younger woman so they can share their interests. I don’t want to build a life. I built one and lived it and now am enjoying my freedom to live in the moment . This being said, I quit the women’s site because of the same shit. I don’t want strategies to trick people , or manipulate men into falling in love with me. Either you love me as me, or you don’t. I ilke sex as much as the next person, probably more than most people, and am very adventurous but I don’t want to play games once I have a foot off the bed and onto the ground. In bed ? Fine, bring on the crazy  the fake and the games. That is fun. In real life, where people get sick, need help, fall down, get scared, that is a different thing. I want not COMMITMENT but a feeling of surety that we will be there when the chips are down and have each other’s backs despite the pain in the ass aspect of it.

    What I see today with people is me me me me me. That holds nothing but ugliness to me. We all need somebody sometimes and it is okay to be needy sometimes, male , female and every other permutation of gender. I see the take care of your own needs and fuck the needy as really sad. And the cat lady comments and the getting laid as the first priority comments as well, lame.

  45. Everything you just said proved my point about differences in needs and communication styles based on gender and age.

    A woman in her 60’s really should not be reading this blog. But I tried my best.

  46. A woman in her 60s should not be reading this blog? Why not? That really sounds like an inability to communicate, but not on the part of women over 60. I guess that is the best you can do. I repeat, it is a sorry state of affairs. The world includes women in their sixties and even older. We are in every walk of life from homes, to industry , to government, to multinational relations, and we seem to be doing okay. If you cannot explain yourself to women over 60 what does that say about your ability to communicate in general?  WOW

  47. Why did either of you even bother responding to that…thing? My mom is her age, a member of NOW in the 70s, and she would laugh long and loud at what that person just wrote.

    She was clearly trying to cut others with her edge, and unfortunately it worked. Sigh.

  48. Well obviously I am older than your mother, and was involved with underground women’s stuff pre-NOW in the 60s but I bet your mom would be rather disgusted at the disrespectful garbage that is thrown about here so easily about how to fuck women. It is crass, shallow, objectifying and gross. Your black dragon master said this in his own words about his tricks and “techniques”:
    “It applies to dating women of all races and ages, and breaks out different techniques for women of different ages where it’s necessary. All the book’s techniques have been heavily field tested and will work anywhere in the Western world (US, Canada, Australia, Europe, etc.) as well as South America. (Some of its techniques will work in Asia, though some will not.) I can’t vouch for its effectiveness outside of these areas, but the majority of the techniques will at least help men in non-Western cultures.”

    Obviously NOT. I cannot imagine women my age finding this treatment of women to be acceptable. Show her his stuff. Ask her.

    And as for trying to “cut others with my edge”, oh my god, really ? As they said to the other woman who dared comment : “grow a thicker skin”. You are really all a bunch of scared little boys. Black Dragon Followers , from Alpha 1. hahahahahahaha.  My boyfriend just turned 42 and all of my boyfriends lately have been quite a bit younger, but they at least speak for themselves and don’t need to purchase manuals to be decent human beings. Well you will all be old at some point if you make it. Good luck boys.

     

  49. scared little boys

    I can’t help but wonder that you’re right. 

    LOL!  As if you are the first used-up old bitter women to come over here and protest that mother nature didn’t bend to your emotions.

    Below is a chart that indicates when women reach their peak attractiveness (23) and when men do (38).

    https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg

    Older women are only useful for a pickup artist in training to use for practice.  Then, he dumps the wannabe ‘cougar’ for a younger, better hottie.

    The women who commented here are such cliches!

     

     

     

  50. Well my last boyfriend was 39 when I was 64. We were together for three years. He wanted me to move in with him. I didn’t want to because I enjoy the freedom of living in my own place. If all you are interested in are 23 year old “hotties”, good luck in life, because in a year after that they will be 24 and over the hill. You will eventually–if you live–be 40. Then what? There are (newsflash) many parts of relationships that are not based solely on the “hottie” factor–maybe you should go back to the frat house and let them paddle your ass and balls some more. I am not having problems with mother nature at all. As a matter of fact the woman my boyfriend was dating before me–and left to be with me was 22–go figure ? What lunacy this is. So vulgar and stereotypical.  I may be bitter about things in life, things that you would probably not even be able to understand, and probably never will be able to understand– as they require a depth that you will never have, I may hold some bitterness about, but in regard to my ability to be in relationships with men I am interested in-including sexual relationships that are satisfying to both parties-regardless of age is not one of them. Crass, gross, déclassé , attitudes, along with untruthful manipulative behavior to “get laid” on the other hand, by someone who dumps people based on their age and “hottie” quotient? That is beyond biter all the way to just pathetic. hahahahahaha what an asshole. Maybe you need to suck up some more and buy more advice online. ONG this is really precious.

  51. What a basket case Jane Wilder is here.  She is 64, yet trolls these blogs to get arousal from men.  She gets sexually aroused when men authoritatively correct her, so she comes back for more.

    We know that women don’t understand graphs and charts, but this chart indicates what age men and women each peak at :

    https://rationalmale.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/smv_curve1.jpg

    Of course men want younger women.  Only young women have their looks.  You don’t have a winning personality either.

     

  52. Anon (how brave):
    I am 67 not 64. I didn’t troll this blog, I was contacted by this site I assume through other sites I visit, my daughter had 16 credits in calc and diffy-q by the time she was 17 –before she graduated HS through Syracuse University.  She was a math and physics tutor ( the lead tutor) all through college, and met her husband when she was tutoring him–so I guess you are incorrect about woman and math and physics She is not the only woman in our family who is more than proficient.

    I get grossed out by men who try to correct women but who are incorrect, show no citations for their sweeping generalizations and are personally incorrect. But you seem to be incapable of differentiating sexual arousal with being disgusted. Not surprising I don’t suppose.

    I don’t care if s men prefer younger woman in general, so what. I have not found that to be true at all for ALL men and all their choices in a partner. Some men seem to prefer all sorts of things aside from youth. If your chart is correct and men reach their peak at 40 and women at 23, well then there must be a bunch of sad 40 year old men (over 38) sitting around jerking off because they are so shallow that the only thing that turns them on is a visual of a woman 23 or younger. Good for you. As for this site. I have really read all I want to read on this topic. It is juvenile, superficial and I lived in a neighborhood with little fratty-boys for decades, watching them carry their paddles and “yessir” their masters .  It was repulsive then and is repulsive now. I guess there is a good reason that men are likely to follow every order no matter how bogus in war, and why we always will have more males committing atrocities. So carry on Wayne, carry on Garth, Your personal assault on MY personality? Back at you. And I can get laid by attractive looking young men any time I want. I just don’t really find brainless dicks that attractive that I would want to, It is pretty easily proven. I live in a ski town, and you see it every single night in the bars and with so many of the couples where the men are 8-15 years  younger the women in many cases, and nobody bats an eye. The people here are educated and doing well. Even breast size preference goes opposite with wealth and education level, with the wealthier and more educated men preferring smaller breasts. (not that their preferences are even that important) Of course there are exceptions, but then all preferences are personal–some men are pedophiles , gay or transgender as well. This is an article from the dark ages of human life.An anachronism that has lost its moorings. Sad. Okay I am done with this. I must have forgotten to block it before. My advice to you Anon? Buy a shit load of lotion and tissues cause you are going to need them.

  53. Jane Wilder,

    Here is a thread on another blog, specifically devoted to women like you :

    Are women done with men by age 55?

    There are almost 2000 comments, with many married men, and women commenting.

    Go there and tell your story.  You will get a lot of arousal from the men over there, plus they will help you better understand how women think.

    2000 comments!

     

  54. I checked it out Anon:
    It is by a man which is fine, and I am not married anymore (thank god) but I think it is true that women are done with men in the way he paints women and men. I do not think it is true that women are done with men in the way that women see men. I am 67 and am with a man way younger, and every man I have been with for most of my life has been at least 5 years younger. The current one (one of them , the most important one) is 42. This has been 3 years now. We broke up for a little while, but are back together now , same as before. I love sex he loves sex. We love each other’s company and find each other fun and interesting. He wanted me to live with him. No, I don’t want to. I think this is where that other blog falls down . They equate marriage with wanting or not wanting a man . I want a man but not a marriage. I want my own place and my own life. As for men not being interested in older women, it just isn’t true. Maybe not all men are, but some men are gay, some are trans, some are pedos, some like certain races or cultures, some like women and are not deterred by age. I don’t look fabulous either. I am not Tina Turner, but I wasn’t when I was young either. So many young women today are air heads anyway. They eat tons of shit, drink til they drop, are inked into gross land, and have plastic bags for tits. Sorry, but not all men like that , They have awful skin. When I was young yeah, some people had acne, but now it is a freaking acceptable epidemic. It is sad that my skin is better than most teens and 20s women. Not on my body maybe but my face. Wow. I mean I am 67, I do have some wrinkles and sagging, but so do these young women. It is really sort of pathetic. And the men too. They have bad skin and mostly are not in very good shape mentally or physically. They are kind of brain dead. I am actually much more picky about who I will have sex with or even a relationship with than most of the men I know.  I want a person with a brain first. The brain is the most important thing to me. It has to be smart, quirky, creative, and artistic, otherwise really I don’t have an interest in fucking them. I work out 6 days a week, do kegels and take care of myself well. So I get it none of you all want to fuck the old lady. Fine. I probably don’t have the same values as you do anyway and would not be interested in you either. But it isn’t about age for me. It is about the specific person. I want no fucking games (Outside of bed where I love games) but I want a strong man who can at least go toe to toe with me intellectually. I would be fine with a man with no legs, no arms, no teeth, no hair, all of that , but no brain? um no.

  55. What are women like before around 18? Actual Disney? Not that that’s anything I’m concerned with, ahem. But I may have a daughter one day.

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