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I had another "older women good or bad for online seduction" discussion with someone the other day. I decided to show this person empirical evidence of what I was saying. I never read profiles, but just for fun I decided to do two very quick experiments.
-By Caleb Jones
The first experiment was to click on five randomly-selected profiles of women in their mid-thirties. My only rule for the random sampling beyond that age group was they had to be somewhat attractive, i.e. the type of woman most men reading these words would bother to send a message to.
I wanted to see how many of these over-33 types would have anything in their profiles that implied or stated any of the following three items:
A. They did not want sex.
B. They expected monogamy and similar commitments up-front.
C. They expected money to be spent on them.
My guess was all or the majority would have at least one of the above in their profiles. Let's see how I did!
Once I clicked on five cute mid-thirties gals and actually read their profiles, this is what I found. I promise I am being 100% honest and truthful in everything I'm reporting here. All quotes are real, unedited copy-and-pastes from their real profiles with no changes from me.
Random Subject 1, a very hot 36 year-old blonde, said:
HOWEVER....I don't desire to just date around with multiple people nor am I looking for someone who is looking for that. I'm looking for my couch cuddling, free time spending (when we can), movie watching, hand holding, road tripping, joke cracking, sarcastic but sweet other half. (In no particular order) 😉
Yep. As expected.
By the way, any time you hear a woman of any age talk about how she wants to "cuddle" or wants a "cuddle buddy", that's a huge red sign that says "DON'T TRY TO FUCK ME. I DON'T WANT SEX."
Random Subject 2, another cute blonde, 35 years old, said:
I am looking for an honest intelligent man who knows how to treat a woman. One who knows how to communicate well and doesn't play any games.
Any man who's been on a few first dates knows exactly what "knows how to treat a woman" means. (Hint: It has to do with money being spent on her.)
Random Subject 3, a petite, very fit 35 year old, said:
If you have NO interest in possibly starting a relationship....I'm not for you. I have NOTHING against being on here to hook up...thats FUN!!! but I'm looking for a little more than that at this time in my life.
Bingo! What have I said about women over 33? They once loved to fuck guys and get laid just for the enjoyment of sex, but NOT ANY MORE. Once a woman hits the dreaded age 33, sex is only "allowed" under a certain, stringent set of rules called "relationship". (With the possible exception of the the hot-young-guy-with-no-money loophole I've described before.)
Random Subject 4, a long haired 36 year old hottie, said:
Actually, her profile didn't say anything about those three areas above. Wow! One out of four cool over-33 chicks so far! Can we make it two out of five?
I guess not, since Random Subject 5, a cute 36 year old wearing a bikini in some of her pics said,
I want friendship first. Down the road I want the relationship everyone is jealous of and wants.
Ah yes, that great term, "friends first". Which as most of us know is more code for "Don't try to fuck me or I'll be pissed." Not to mention her Disney desires about her future relationship with Mr. Perfect.
I wanted to see how many of these over-33 types would have anything in their profiles that implied or stated any of the following three items:
A. They did not want sex.
B. They expected monogamy and similar commitments up-front.
C. They expected money to be spent on them.
My guess was all or the majority would have at least one of the above in their profiles. Let's see how I did!
Once I clicked on five cute mid-thirties gals and actually read their profiles, this is what I found. I promise I am being 100% honest and truthful in everything I'm reporting here. All quotes are real, unedited copy-and-pastes from their real profiles with no changes from me.
Random Subject 1, a very hot 36 year-old blonde, said:
HOWEVER....I don't desire to just date around with multiple people nor am I looking for someone who is looking for that. I'm looking for my couch cuddling, free time spending (when we can), movie watching, hand holding, road tripping, joke cracking, sarcastic but sweet other half. (In no particular order) 😉
Yep. As expected.
By the way, any time you hear a woman of any age talk about how she wants to "cuddle" or wants a "cuddle buddy", that's a huge red sign that says "DON'T TRY TO FUCK ME. I DON'T WANT SEX."
Random Subject 2, another cute blonde, 35 years old, said:
I am looking for an honest intelligent man who knows how to treat a woman. One who knows how to communicate well and doesn't play any games.
Any man who's been on a few first dates knows exactly what "knows how to treat a woman" means. (Hint: It has to do with money being spent on her.)
Random Subject 3, a petite, very fit 35 year old, said:
If you have NO interest in possibly starting a relationship....I'm not for you. I have NOTHING against being on here to hook up...thats FUN!!! but I'm looking for a little more than that at this time in my life.
Bingo! What have I said about women over 33? They once loved to fuck guys and get laid just for the enjoyment of sex, but NOT ANY MORE. Once a woman hits the dreaded age 33, sex is only "allowed" under a certain, stringent set of rules called "relationship". (With the possible exception of the the hot-young-guy-with-no-money loophole I've described before.)
Random Subject 4, a long haired 36 year old hottie, said:
Actually, her profile didn't say anything about those three areas above. Wow! One out of four cool over-33 chicks so far! Can we make it two out of five?
I guess not, since Random Subject 5, a cute 36 year old wearing a bikini in some of her pics said,
I want friendship first. Down the road I want the relationship everyone is jealous of and wants.
Ah yes, that great term, "friends first". Which as most of us know is more code for "Don't try to fuck me or I'll be pissed." Not to mention her Disney desires about her future relationship with Mr. Perfect.
So out of five totally random profiles, four were essentially telling you, using indirect feminine language, that they are not going to have sex with you, are going to be pissed if you try, and/or you had better spend money on them, and if you're "lucky", you can make all kinds of commitments to them and THEN have sex. Maybe.
Four out of five over-33 women. That's the exact results of my little experiment Those are the odds you're dealing with when working with women in this age range online.
But I wasn't done. In order to be fair and balanced like Fox News (aaaahahahahaha!) I did a second experiment where I randomly selected five cute girls in their mid twenties, specifically age 24 to 26, looking for the same exact three negatives listed above. Again, the girls had to be cute, but that was the only criteria I used. Other than that, they were completely random clicks on my part. They were in the same city as the first five mid-thirties women, so as to keep that variable constant.
What do you think I found? How many mentioned any of those three negatives?
Out of five, zero of them mentioned anything related to the three negatives listed above. Zero. I'm being completely honest. The guy I was trying to prove this to read the profiles as well to verify I wasn't being biased in my interpretation.
Zero.
To be fair, one of them had one sentence about how she was "tired of players", but that was it. None of this "don't try to fuck me" ASD stuff or "you'd better spend money on me" gold digger stuff or "I expect commitment first" Disney stuff.
Mid thirties = four out of five.
Mid twenties = zero out of five.
Which group do you think is the best to message online? You be the judge.
Not sure how much more evidence you need. (Of course, if you think I'm making all of this up, by all means go do this experiment yourself. Just make sure you are acutely aware of the indirect language women tend to use when discussing these topics.)
Update: Some of the comments reminded me of three clarifications I should have made...
1. Of course this is not a scientific sampling. I thought that was obvious. It's only 10 women. But it is interesting that out of that random 10 I got the results I did. The other guy who disagreed with me read all the same profiles and more or less came to the same conclusion, so as to avoid confirmation bias, which I fully agree I would have been guilty of had I done this alone.
2. I do not "hate" older women. I have dated many of them and still do to this day and love them. I'm saying if your objective is fast sex from meeting women online, you should avoid women over age 33.
3. Yes, older women DO like sex more than younger women (generally speaking). But that's ONLY when they're in a regular relationship with a guy (preferably a new relationship) and all their ASD Societal Programming requirements have been met. Women over 33 do love sex more than younger women, but they also have more self-imposed rules about when they're "allowed" to have sex, thus cancelling out this sexual "benefit".
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Four out of five over-33 women. That's the exact results of my little experiment Those are the odds you're dealing with when working with women in this age range online.
But I wasn't done. In order to be fair and balanced like Fox News (aaaahahahahaha!) I did a second experiment where I randomly selected five cute girls in their mid twenties, specifically age 24 to 26, looking for the same exact three negatives listed above. Again, the girls had to be cute, but that was the only criteria I used. Other than that, they were completely random clicks on my part. They were in the same city as the first five mid-thirties women, so as to keep that variable constant.
What do you think I found? How many mentioned any of those three negatives?
Out of five, zero of them mentioned anything related to the three negatives listed above. Zero. I'm being completely honest. The guy I was trying to prove this to read the profiles as well to verify I wasn't being biased in my interpretation.
Zero.
To be fair, one of them had one sentence about how she was "tired of players", but that was it. None of this "don't try to fuck me" ASD stuff or "you'd better spend money on me" gold digger stuff or "I expect commitment first" Disney stuff.
Mid thirties = four out of five.
Mid twenties = zero out of five.
Which group do you think is the best to message online? You be the judge.
Not sure how much more evidence you need. (Of course, if you think I'm making all of this up, by all means go do this experiment yourself. Just make sure you are acutely aware of the indirect language women tend to use when discussing these topics.)
Update: Some of the comments reminded me of three clarifications I should have made...
1. Of course this is not a scientific sampling. I thought that was obvious. It's only 10 women. But it is interesting that out of that random 10 I got the results I did. The other guy who disagreed with me read all the same profiles and more or less came to the same conclusion, so as to avoid confirmation bias, which I fully agree I would have been guilty of had I done this alone.
2. I do not "hate" older women. I have dated many of them and still do to this day and love them. I'm saying if your objective is fast sex from meeting women online, you should avoid women over age 33.
3. Yes, older women DO like sex more than younger women (generally speaking). But that's ONLY when they're in a regular relationship with a guy (preferably a new relationship) and all their ASD Societal Programming requirements have been met. Women over 33 do love sex more than younger women, but they also have more self-imposed rules about when they're "allowed" to have sex, thus cancelling out this sexual "benefit".
Want over 35 hours of how-to podcasts on how to improve your woman life and financial life? Want to be able to coach with me twice a month? Want access to hours of technique-based video and audio? The SMIC Program is a monthly podcast and coaching program where you get access to massive amounts of exclusive, members-only Alpha 2.0 content as soon as you sign up, and you can cancel whenever you want. Click here for the details.